Thursday, April 27, 2006

And So It Begins

Again, what I am about to post is why I love, love, love this blog. And, as Blogmaster, I reserve the right to change my mind, to completely and utterly flip my view. And I think this comment did it!

This is a comment from Blogger PKRM. I think he hit the nail on the head. PS. I owe some credit to Robetron as well. He also hit the same nail on the head- and I didn't read his entire comment. I am sorry Robby- I owe you one.

OK, here goes:

Sydney told Anna it was a waste of time, "We disproved these writings years ago." AND THEY DID! However, SYDNEY IS NOT THE CHOSEN ONE...ANNA IS!By replicating Sydney, she has all those physical characteristics that Rambaldi wrote about. By replicating Sydney, she is "the woman here depicted." I'm going to venture a guess Anna has never seen Mt. Subasio. Anna, unless prevented, will render the greatest power unto utter desolation!Also, the Passenger and the Chosen One will do battle, and only one will survive!!! We already know Nadia will be back, and using this theory, Nadia will be the one to kick Anna's butt up and down the Los Angeles coast! We have missed the entire point until now! Sydney CANNOT be the Chosen One, she's disproved it! However, Anna with Syd's genetics can fulfill that prophecy...and who better? The most psychotic Rambaldi lunatic aside from Sloane since the very beginning! And we know that Rambaldi knew about genetics, they were all over in his work. The very paper, "The fifth prophet," that named our current bad guys was about "advanced genetics 500 years ahead of its time" according to Lehman in the Season 5 pilot!Also, Gordon Dean said that Prophet 5 had "plans" for Sydney...this is what he was talking about! This is also why Peyton was concerned kidnapping Sydney to find the Horizon could "compromise their larger agenda!" This isn't tacked on, this is the whole point!P5 is trying to fulfill the Prophecy on page 47!!! What do you think???

It was right there in front of us the whole time! Rachel asking about Rambaldi- her reading the script to everyone!! It was a MAJOR CLUE. And now that Sloane has the cure for Nadia, she will be back to fulfill her end of the prophecy.

Remember when Nadia's doctor freaked out on Sydney in season 3? He was fearful that the Chosen One would do harm to the Passenger. We kept thinking- why would Sydney hurt her sister? WELL, because the Chosen One is not really Sydney!

So, now we can look forward to a battle- an epic Rambaldi battle between Sydney Espinoza and Nadia! The great thing is- Nadia will have the real Sydney's help to defeat their ultimate enemy!

PS. When did I actually say that I thought this was a filler? I don't think I said that. I think I said that it felt odd that the writers seemed to be focusing on new story. I didn't say filler. Who is putting words in my mouth?? I am off to watch the episode again with all this new insight. Don't forget- SpyChat tonight 6:30pm MSN Messenger. But I will be on all day.

Stay tuned for my bit on Sloane and the 12. I got some good stuff.

30 comments:

SKlaft said...

Yes. This is what everyone that really enjoyed the show has been saying all morning. It's the bigger picture.

Girlscout said...

Oh Robby, always the smarty pants.

SRM said...

Wow, lots of emotions running high with this episode, interesting. I luckily got the afternoon off from work, so I came home and promptly stuck in my tape of the eppy.

First off, I think PKRM hit the nail on the head, and it seriously makes me happy that the whole mt. sebasio thing is not going to be a plot hole. Who knows if this is what the writers meant from the start, but having Ana turn into the Chosen One is, in my opinion, a great way to tie up those lose ends and finish the Rambaldi saga.

Overall I thought the episode was pretty good, and I enjoyed all the humor and interactions between Will and Syd. Lots of laugh-out-loud moments for me which I love. :) One thing I just can't get over though, the page 47 they showed in this eppy is definitely NOT the page 47 from the first season. Ok, so I'm being nit-picky about the props, but that's a pretty big one to change.

Anywho, even though I looked at some of the "spoiler" pics from the eppy beforehand, Syd being doubled was a shock for me. I only realized that's what they were doing when the doctor said something about Provicillium to Ana, then I was like WHOA, NO WAY! I love how this show continues to surprise and shock me.

Not much more to say really, they didn't give much away with the preview for next week, but I'm definitely excited for it.

Tammy said...

Wow! I've been wanting to comment all day, but didn't know exactly what I wanted to say. Wow - PKRM -Paul you hit it in my opinion. I was shocked and wowed all through this episode. I did not see the double coming until the provicillium mention. And now - thinking about past episodes, I can really see that Ana as the chosen one really does make sense and it will help tie up loose ends without leaving gaps or holes, or making something into something it wasn't! Wow - (can I fit another wow into this?) I'm awfully glad you all post here - what would I do without it!? I can't seem to wrap my head around this storyline without lots and lots of input from the likes of you!

Girlscout - thank you so much for making this blog the amazing forum it is! I love that ideas get brought up only to be discussed, chomped on - and sometimes replaced with other ideas!! Too cool!

Tammy

Sarafu said...

Great Points!!!!! I hope you didnt think that I was saying that you said that was a filler episode. Someone else wrote that, and I was reffering to that. Once you grasp your mind around all of this it does make much more sense. It does take time to wrap your head around it all though. Its good I have this blog to help me work it out!!! Thanks!

uncle111 said...

One thing that is classic Alias about Anna being the real Chosen One is that she was there from the beginning of the series. She was Syd's first and most reoccurring opponent. She was there when Syd and Nadia went on the mission where Nadia had the vision of she and Syd fighting each other. Did they plan from the beginning for Anna to be the Chosen One?

Paul Kremer said...

Wow! Hard to know! I don't know if they intended from the beginning, but it certainly fits beautifully. If they did not plan this and just wrote it during the hiatus, it would certainly open the question of why they would leave such huge plot holes in Season 1? And then how they could possibly find such a beautiful way to fill all the plot holes in right at the end? Hmmmm...

But that WOULD explain Nadia's vision, that she shot Sydney, blood pouring down her chest, but she didn't seem surprised, that she knew all along Nadia was going to kill her!

Paul

RUDY said...

Correct me if I'm stupid, but why does everyone keep saying that Anna is the Chosen One? Sydney is the Chosen One, right? There is just two Sydney's now.

RUDY said...

And I have to say that it was a great way to keep Anna apart of the story without ABC actually having to pay for Anna.

SKlaft said...

Have I left the impression of being mean or something?

Yes, I was a little shocked that some didn't love the episode as much as I did, and therefore the octive of my pleadings went up a little (but you couldn't hear that).

I just wanted everyone to see things my way. :D

Now that we all do, everything is great! :D

-R.

Anonymous said...

I just finished re-watching last nights episode and have a few questions. I'm not as adept as the regular bloggers so my apologies in advance if this is all stupid:
1. Why would P5/the 12 cure Nadia as they create a new Sydney? If the passenger and the chosen one are going to battle why add another obstacle? They need to keep Sloane as their pawn but maybe what he was given is not the cure?
2. If the prison Peyton got Anna out of is US government and off the books then how did Peyton just walk in and then get her out. Must be other high ranking people working w/ P5.
3. (the totally out there thought)What if P5 thought Isabelle could be the one and thus the nursery? Sydney Espinoza could be the back up plan.
-jems

uncle111 said...

Jems-
Syd took herself out of being able to fulfii Rambaldi's prophecy by visiting Mt. Sabasio, so they are creating a new Chosen One by adopting her DNA. However, Anna my be the Chosen One Rambaldi saw all along.
P5 is curing Nadia because she and the Chosen One are prophesied to do mortal combat. She can't do that if she is unconcious.
P5 has high ranking US officials working for them.
As for Syd's baby- they took her DNA on the ship where they were supposedly saving her pregnancy. That maybe what they were really up to all along. Why? ???

Andrew said...

I've fallen in love with this whole storyline now. I thought the writers and producers had completely forgotten that Sydney couldn't be the Chosen One because she saw Mt. Subasio.

In a small way, I feel cheated that Sydney isn't a part of Rambaldi's big picture, but this storyline will provide a perfect way for neither Sydney or Nadia to die. It all makes sense, and I like it!

blah said...

okay, first off, how the heck did Rachel know the Rambalid code that allowed her to read the manuscript? If she didn't even know who Rambaldi, there's no way she could known the code by heart. So how did she know? She's gotta be involved in somthing. And also, your review say'd:

"The origin of the doubling project comes from Elena. She had Alison Doren doubled to be Francie..."

I thought it was sloane that had her doubled. So am i confused or what? was sloane working with her? how did you come up with that?

uncle111 said...

Maybe Tom works for a group inside the Catholic Church who has been protecting Rambaldi for centuries and the Cardinal is a high official inside the group.

Rachel may knows medievel neopolitan? DSR had cracked the code before Syd got it from the Vatican, so it is possible to come up with it independently, but it is unlikely she could just read it and the fact she could read it is a very good observation. It would seem she has had some significant exposure to the document before, unless they had a translation of it attched or on the computer screens in the briefing room that she was reading. Deserves a rewatch!

Andrew said...

As we noticed that it was not the actual original Page 47 from season 1, maybe they had put together this translated page for the breifing.

SKlaft said...

Very good, Andrew.

Plausability trumps doubt.

My girlfriend, Rachel was jus treading from the screen. :D

-R.

Girlscout said...

Oh much good stuff in here. It will take me all night to read everything YAHOO for blogging!

Anonymous said...

I have an idea about Vaughn. Remember how he was trying to find out exactly what happened to his dad? What if he stumbled upon info that led him to P5. And the more he discovered the more he realized that Rambaldi and the prophecy everyone thought was about Syd was at the very heart of P5 and the only way to keep Syd and their baby safe was to destroy P5? This would fit with his dad hiding Nadia and knowing all about iimportance of The Passenger. It would also explain why P5 wanted to kill Vaughn – he was a threat to their endgame. He was getting too close to the core of P5. He knew things that would destroy their plans. I don't know why he would keep all the info to himself though unless somehow he had to put himself in a position that was against the CIA and/or the government in order to find out the stuff he was after. Maybe P5 had to eliminate Vaughn in order to continue their plans and fulfill their endgame. Any thoughts?

SKlaft said...

Why didn't they get the DNA and other info while they had her on the ship? Because they found her too fast, and P5 was not warned about it. They scolded Sloane for not informing them, then Irena killed Davenport for "compromising [thier] agenda." They simply did not have enough time after they got the (false) information about the location of the Horizon. I guess they didn't expect Jack to go to such lengths as to call all of the upper-CIA-crust together and then openly torture one of them for information.

(Still think Jack and Irena are together on this? I don't.)
-R.

Anonymous said...

Mommer I really like that theory it explains that look that Elena gave to Vaughn in S4 when she found out Nadia was just dandy.

Exactly robby why would Jack threaten kill her unless it could have been a ploy just put on for Syd but I coud never believe that Jack would work with Irina out of free will.

I just watched the episode tonight and my brain is still swimming through all of this info but I love how the writers intentionally or not closed the gap between these chasms of plot.

blah said...

i just thought of somthing, not sure if anyone has brought it up yet, but could "The Trust" from season three actully be a brach of P5? because we know whtat The trust was deep in the US government, so it makes sense, dosn't it?

Jess said...

Not to burst everyone's bubble but didn't Irina say in a videotaped interview that the symbol was her two daughters...even if Anna has the DNA structure of Sydney she still isn't Sydney, therefore, obviously not Irina's daughter. While it seems unlikly that P5 would have overlooked this detail, maybe the writers are trying to set it up so that P5 fails in there attempt to fullfill the prophecy. I mean Alison Doren was still Alison even though she looked like Francie. What do you think? Honestly I really like the theory everyone is coming up with and I am kinda hoping that someone can explain away my concern...

SKlaft said...

This has perplexed me ever since the end of season 2. not that Irena's words throw a monkey-wrench into the story, but that so many people seem to be taking her interpretation of Rambaldi's prophesy as infalible. Irena is just as much human as the rest, and is just as subject to being mistaken as any other Alias character. Sure, she's confident that her daughters are the ones symbolized, but that doesn't make it any more true than Elena being confident that what she was doing was Rambaldi's true purpose and that she was supposed to be the one to realize it. She was wrong.

If we are right about Syd not being the "Chosen one" that Nadia will shoot, then we must conclude that irena was either wrong or just manipulating Sydney again.

I hope that helps.

SRM said...

anyone else see the AOL preview for next week? Looks pretty funny. :)

I think the last episode prompted some of the most interesting and thought provoking theories we've seen so far on Let's Talk, great job everyone!

Speaking of Irena's words, one thing she said from Maternal Instinct didn't match up...she said that she warned Vaughn to stop his P5 research and that he didn't listen to her, thus he had to be killed. But if you go back to season 4 and watch that eppy, she warns him to tell Sydney about what he was doing w/ P5, that's it, she never says his life would be in danger or warns him about anything other than wrecking his love life. Anyone else find this interesting? It's like she was trying to make it look like to Syd that she put the hit on Vaughn, but I'm doubting that's what really happened...

SRM said...

OH, and one other thing, how fun is it going to be to watch Syd as a good guy and a bad guy?!? Jen must have had fun with that. :)

Jess said...

Hmmm, so Alison didn't have the same genetic makeup as Francie? Interesting, I guess that does make sense as Anna now has the same size heart as Syd and the same "unseen marks" as Syd. So I wonder if Irina is aware of P5's latest effort to fullfil the prophecy. Remember when Syd had to decide who was the CIA agent (I can't remember his name) and which was his double? I wonder if Nadia will face a similar situation trying to figure out which is the real Syd?

SKlaft said...

SRG

That is very interesting that you say that. I had a tickle of an inkling that Irena was trying very hard to influence Sydney against her in that whole little speach. It had to be a manipulation of some sort. It is out of Irena's character to blatantly say mean things to Syd, like indicating that she considered having Sydney was a mistake. It reminded me of those comments she made when first introducing herself to Sydney just prior to shooting her in the shoulder.

Irena is an enigma to me.
-R.

uncle111 said...

Irina has done A LOT of really bad things. You can't do that without being at least partly REALLY bad. Don't be surprised if she doesn't end up being our hero.

Before Rachel spoke the words from page 47 she spoke them in the original language, which means she was actually translating it.

Anna was shot up with the drug Evil Francie had to take because of the Helix Protocol before they finished up her DNA change. Helix used genetic manipulation, which means it changed the DNA of the subject. The technology they used on Anna maybe next gen. Helix or a big leap forward. We don't know.

Irina isn't the last word on the Prophecy. She assumes it is Syd and Nadia in the symbol because it is the Chosen One and the Passenger. We only know the Chosen One by her outward appearance and certain "unseen marks." If Anna has al those then she is just as much a candidate for being the Chosen One as Syd is, especially if she has never seen Mt. Subasio

SRM said...

Thanks robby, glad I'm not the only one who got the feeling Irena was almost trying to make Syd mad at her...

Ihaa I see your point, it really depends on how literal everyone takes the prophecy, and I'm sure it was worded very carefully so "never" and "perhaps" were used on purpose. (If anyone else is a Harry Potter fan it really reminds me of that because Jo Rowling said the prophecy in book 5 was worded extremely carefully too.)