Thursday, April 27, 2006

And So It Begins

Again, what I am about to post is why I love, love, love this blog. And, as Blogmaster, I reserve the right to change my mind, to completely and utterly flip my view. And I think this comment did it!

This is a comment from Blogger PKRM. I think he hit the nail on the head. PS. I owe some credit to Robetron as well. He also hit the same nail on the head- and I didn't read his entire comment. I am sorry Robby- I owe you one.

OK, here goes:

Sydney told Anna it was a waste of time, "We disproved these writings years ago." AND THEY DID! However, SYDNEY IS NOT THE CHOSEN ONE...ANNA IS!By replicating Sydney, she has all those physical characteristics that Rambaldi wrote about. By replicating Sydney, she is "the woman here depicted." I'm going to venture a guess Anna has never seen Mt. Subasio. Anna, unless prevented, will render the greatest power unto utter desolation!Also, the Passenger and the Chosen One will do battle, and only one will survive!!! We already know Nadia will be back, and using this theory, Nadia will be the one to kick Anna's butt up and down the Los Angeles coast! We have missed the entire point until now! Sydney CANNOT be the Chosen One, she's disproved it! However, Anna with Syd's genetics can fulfill that prophecy...and who better? The most psychotic Rambaldi lunatic aside from Sloane since the very beginning! And we know that Rambaldi knew about genetics, they were all over in his work. The very paper, "The fifth prophet," that named our current bad guys was about "advanced genetics 500 years ahead of its time" according to Lehman in the Season 5 pilot!Also, Gordon Dean said that Prophet 5 had "plans" for Sydney...this is what he was talking about! This is also why Peyton was concerned kidnapping Sydney to find the Horizon could "compromise their larger agenda!" This isn't tacked on, this is the whole point!P5 is trying to fulfill the Prophecy on page 47!!! What do you think???

It was right there in front of us the whole time! Rachel asking about Rambaldi- her reading the script to everyone!! It was a MAJOR CLUE. And now that Sloane has the cure for Nadia, she will be back to fulfill her end of the prophecy.

Remember when Nadia's doctor freaked out on Sydney in season 3? He was fearful that the Chosen One would do harm to the Passenger. We kept thinking- why would Sydney hurt her sister? WELL, because the Chosen One is not really Sydney!

So, now we can look forward to a battle- an epic Rambaldi battle between Sydney Espinoza and Nadia! The great thing is- Nadia will have the real Sydney's help to defeat their ultimate enemy!

PS. When did I actually say that I thought this was a filler? I don't think I said that. I think I said that it felt odd that the writers seemed to be focusing on new story. I didn't say filler. Who is putting words in my mouth?? I am off to watch the episode again with all this new insight. Don't forget- SpyChat tonight 6:30pm MSN Messenger. But I will be on all day.

Stay tuned for my bit on Sloane and the 12. I got some good stuff.

49 comments:

Robetron said...

Yes. This is what everyone that really enjoyed the show has been saying all morning. It's the bigger picture.

Kiki said...

Oh Robby, always the smarty pants.

srg-alias said...

Wow, lots of emotions running high with this episode, interesting. I luckily got the afternoon off from work, so I came home and promptly stuck in my tape of the eppy.

First off, I think PKRM hit the nail on the head, and it seriously makes me happy that the whole mt. sebasio thing is not going to be a plot hole. Who knows if this is what the writers meant from the start, but having Ana turn into the Chosen One is, in my opinion, a great way to tie up those lose ends and finish the Rambaldi saga.

Overall I thought the episode was pretty good, and I enjoyed all the humor and interactions between Will and Syd. Lots of laugh-out-loud moments for me which I love. :) One thing I just can't get over though, the page 47 they showed in this eppy is definitely NOT the page 47 from the first season. Ok, so I'm being nit-picky about the props, but that's a pretty big one to change.

Anywho, even though I looked at some of the "spoiler" pics from the eppy beforehand, Syd being doubled was a shock for me. I only realized that's what they were doing when the doctor said something about Provicillium to Ana, then I was like WHOA, NO WAY! I love how this show continues to surprise and shock me.

Not much more to say really, they didn't give much away with the preview for next week, but I'm definitely excited for it.

Starbucks Mom said...

Robosize...maybe next time you will enlighten us instead of keeping all the knowledge to yourself.

Starbucks Mom said...

p.s. Everyone needs to remember that GS started this blog so that we could respectfully voice our opinons about Alias. It's not about being right. it's not about bashing each other. And yes....even GS misses the mark sometimes. Despite her amazing database of Alias knowledge, she is human.
Being smug and rubbing our noses in the fact that we missed the point only makes us feel bad. That's not what this blog is about. Got to ABC if you want that.
That said...on with the blogging.

jenn256 said...

I don't think anyone has been worried about being right, and I really don't think anyone wanted to make others feel bad. Maybe I'm just nieve (it wouldn't be the first time) We all just had different opinions about this episode. I personally feel that after a 4 month hiatus that any Alias is better than none at all!

lhaaheim said...

It was me! I put the words in your mouth, but I didn't actually mean to do that. I just remembered what you had said before as I read your post last night and thought it would be fitting to bring up. While I don't truly believe it's a filler episode I do believe it was setting things up and those episodes are generally not as good as the episodes were everything comes about (like last week's), they are simply better since they are so climatic. So for me it was one incredible setup episode! I seriously didn't mean to start an issue over it being a filler episode or not I just honestly couldn't get your previous comment out of my head while I read that post. Anyway I'm glad you have some new insight about this eppy and seem to be a bit happier about it! I hope you enjoy watching it again!

P.S. I agree Robby is a smarty pants but we certainly need him to be one. Keep that insight coming!!!

Tammy said...

Wow! I've been wanting to comment all day, but didn't know exactly what I wanted to say. Wow - PKRM -Paul you hit it in my opinion. I was shocked and wowed all through this episode. I did not see the double coming until the provicillium mention. And now - thinking about past episodes, I can really see that Ana as the chosen one really does make sense and it will help tie up loose ends without leaving gaps or holes, or making something into something it wasn't! Wow - (can I fit another wow into this?) I'm awfully glad you all post here - what would I do without it!? I can't seem to wrap my head around this storyline without lots and lots of input from the likes of you!

Girlscout - thank you so much for making this blog the amazing forum it is! I love that ideas get brought up only to be discussed, chomped on - and sometimes replaced with other ideas!! Too cool!

Tammy

lhaaheim said...

I agree jenn I don't think anyone was trying to be superior or start a fight. I certainly wasn't and when I expressed my opinions about the episode I truly just wanted to get my feelings and thoughts out there. Plus it really saddened me that girlscout and a few others felt disappointed by the episode. I was just trying to share why I wasn't feeling that way, how I could have felt that way (since everything about Alias right now is so pressurized and emotional) and help others feel better about it. I think starbucks is just trying to remind everyone not to let things get out of hand and be cautious and polite about what we say.

Starbucks Mom said...

I wasn't directing that at anyone specifically or trying to be mean. (Computers have no vocal context). I was just defending GS. She's my best friend...I'm allowed to be a bit Mother Hen now and again.
Just ignore me.

jenn256 said...

So can we all agree to move on and talk about the good stuff....like, does this knew possible info give us anymore answers, or does it raise more questions? It seems to be really plausible, and does answer a few of our oroginal set of questions from before last weeks episode, but if you are like me I have a new set of questions regarding this new theory. Should we start throwing some out there and see where it takes us?

Sarafu said...

Great Points!!!!! I hope you didnt think that I was saying that you said that was a filler episode. Someone else wrote that, and I was reffering to that. Once you grasp your mind around all of this it does make much more sense. It does take time to wrap your head around it all though. Its good I have this blog to help me work it out!!! Thanks!

uncle111 said...

One thing that is classic Alias about Anna being the real Chosen One is that she was there from the beginning of the series. She was Syd's first and most reoccurring opponent. She was there when Syd and Nadia went on the mission where Nadia had the vision of she and Syd fighting each other. Did they plan from the beginning for Anna to be the Chosen One?

pkrm said...

Wow! Hard to know! I don't know if they intended from the beginning, but it certainly fits beautifully. If they did not plan this and just wrote it during the hiatus, it would certainly open the question of why they would leave such huge plot holes in Season 1? And then how they could possibly find such a beautiful way to fill all the plot holes in right at the end? Hmmmm...

But that WOULD explain Nadia's vision, that she shot Sydney, blood pouring down her chest, but she didn't seem surprised, that she knew all along Nadia was going to kill her!

Paul

RUDY said...

Correct me if I'm stupid, but why does everyone keep saying that Anna is the Chosen One? Sydney is the Chosen One, right? There is just two Sydney's now.

RUDY said...

And I have to say that it was a great way to keep Anna apart of the story without ABC actually having to pay for Anna.

Robetron said...

Have I left the impression of being mean or something?

Yes, I was a little shocked that some didn't love the episode as much as I did, and therefore the octive of my pleadings went up a little (but you couldn't hear that).

I just wanted everyone to see things my way. :D

Now that we all do, everything is great! :D

-R.

lhaaheim said...

I don't think your mean roberton and I don't think anyone else thinks that either. :-) You are very passionate about Alias though and I think that is a great thing! And now we are all on the same page so I think things are good now. So like Jenn said let's just move on to figuring this new plot out and see if we can connect some more things to it. :-)

Mike1978 said...

Let's remember people that it is still just a theory - that by doubling Syd, Ana is The Chosen One. We still don't know for sure. And Jenn I am surprised u didn't at least like some of the episode - after sleeping on it here I decided it wasn't as bad as first thought. And duh the writers came back from hiatus only to find out that the show is canceled so of couse they had to rush to get the scripts out. So instead of aruging over whether the episode was good or bad, let's review a few things:

1. Syd is doubled by Ana, which means P5 for sure is involved w/ Rambaldi. Does it mean Sydana will be The Chosen One? That Nadia & her will fight and one will survive?

2. We still don't know what Grace's motives are or who The Cardinal is.

3. I still don't understand why Jack and Syd had to fake Vaughn's death if P5 was really only after Syd and her DNA. It does make sense that they were never after the baby; instead they had doctors there to help Syd deliever.

4. Did Sloan always work for P5? Does that mean the whole Alliance was just part of P5?

5. Is it possibly that Peyton is Elena's daughter and thus a cousin of Syd and Nadia's?

I could go on and on but will leave that for our blogmaster :).

lhaaheim said...

What I still don't understand is why they wanted Vaughn dead? What did they accomplish by doing that? Vaughn has to be connected to this all in some way! It can't just be that he was investigating P5. If that were the case then they would be trying to kill everyone, expect for maybe Syd and Nadia, who was investigating them. So does anyone have a theory on how Vaughn works into this? Also let's not forget about the creepy nursery Jack found with Renee, I still think Isabelle will play a role in this too. Oh and Renee herself. What's her purpose in all of this???? I'm also starting to doubt the idea that doubling Anna was a last minute change of plans for P5. They may have changed their method a bit but I doubt their grand scheme changed. So as always what is P5's end game? Is it more then just fulfilling the prophecy? How does Sloane factor into to this, does he know more then we know and what is he going to do? Will he choose good or evil? Is it still possible that Jack and Irena could have been working together and what is Irena’s purpose in all of this? What truth are we still waiting for? Now with the return of Rambaldi to the story line more and more questions arise about why the heck this man is even connected to the Bristow’s/Derevko’s? Are they some how related? Why is Syd, or at least her body the one to fulfill his prophecy, why not someone else? Oh and here is the ultimate question, how the hell does Rambaldi know all this stuff?????

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jems said...

I just finished re-watching last nights episode and have a few questions. I'm not as adept as the regular bloggers so my apologies in advance if this is all stupid:
1. Why would P5/the 12 cure Nadia as they create a new Sydney? If the passenger and the chosen one are going to battle why add another obstacle? They need to keep Sloane as their pawn but maybe what he was given is not the cure?
2. If the prison Peyton got Anna out of is US government and off the books then how did Peyton just walk in and then get her out. Must be other high ranking people working w/ P5.
3. (the totally out there thought)What if P5 thought Isabelle could be the one and thus the nursery? Sydney Espinoza could be the back up plan.
-jems

uncle111 said...

Jems-
Syd took herself out of being able to fulfii Rambaldi's prophecy by visiting Mt. Sabasio, so they are creating a new Chosen One by adopting her DNA. However, Anna my be the Chosen One Rambaldi saw all along.
P5 is curing Nadia because she and the Chosen One are prophesied to do mortal combat. She can't do that if she is unconcious.
P5 has high ranking US officials working for them.
As for Syd's baby- they took her DNA on the ship where they were supposedly saving her pregnancy. That maybe what they were really up to all along. Why? ???

Andrew said...

I've fallen in love with this whole storyline now. I thought the writers and producers had completely forgotten that Sydney couldn't be the Chosen One because she saw Mt. Subasio.

In a small way, I feel cheated that Sydney isn't a part of Rambaldi's big picture, but this storyline will provide a perfect way for neither Sydney or Nadia to die. It all makes sense, and I like it!

Dark Alias said...

okay, first off, how the heck did Rachel know the Rambalid code that allowed her to read the manuscript? If she didn't even know who Rambaldi, there's no way she could known the code by heart. So how did she know? She's gotta be involved in somthing. And also, your review say'd:

"The origin of the doubling project comes from Elena. She had Alison Doren doubled to be Francie..."

I thought it was sloane that had her doubled. So am i confused or what? was sloane working with her? how did you come up with that?

momknows said...

I think Irina and Jack are working together to keep P5 from achieving Rambaldi's end game. Did Jack allow Irina to escape with the package from the bank so they could keep P5 from achieving the "end game"?
Could Dean have been talking about Irina when he told Syd that she wouldn't believe who was behind the orders to kill Vaughn? (Irina knew P5 needed the info from the map regarding the horizon, and knew that P5 would kill Vaughn after they got the info. She didn't want this to happen for Syd and the baby's sake. By faking his death, the only other person they thought had the info was Syd. Irina knew P5 wouldn't kill her because they still needed her for the genetic clone. I think Irina and Jack, for that matter, know that Arvin has been bought by P5 and that he is being used in exchange for Nadia's cure. Irina has a stake in this too since she is her mother. Maybe Irina and Jack know that Nadia will shoot Sydney Espanosa??? That's why Jack has allowed Syd to cut her leave short and be a part of these missions.)
Are Irina and Jack letting P5 play out their hand so that they can foil them in the end????

P.S. Still unsure how Tom Grace and the Cardinal fit in. Are Irina and Jack using Tom and his past to their advantage? Is Tom willing to use his past for Syd, Jack, Irina, or is he a mole???

uncle111 said...

Maybe Tom works for a group inside the Catholic Church who has been protecting Rambaldi for centuries and the Cardinal is a high official inside the group.

Rachel may knows medievel neopolitan? DSR had cracked the code before Syd got it from the Vatican, so it is possible to come up with it independently, but it is unlikely she could just read it and the fact she could read it is a very good observation. It would seem she has had some significant exposure to the document before, unless they had a translation of it attched or on the computer screens in the briefing room that she was reading. Deserves a rewatch!

Andrew said...

As we noticed that it was not the actual original Page 47 from season 1, maybe they had put together this translated page for the breifing.

Robetron said...

Very good, Andrew.

Plausability trumps doubt.

My girlfriend, Rachel was jus treading from the screen. :D

-R.

Kiki said...

Oh much good stuff in here. It will take me all night to read everything YAHOO for blogging!

mommer said...

I have an idea about Vaughn. Remember how he was trying to find out exactly what happened to his dad? What if he stumbled upon info that led him to P5. And the more he discovered the more he realized that Rambaldi and the prophecy everyone thought was about Syd was at the very heart of P5 and the only way to keep Syd and their baby safe was to destroy P5? This would fit with his dad hiding Nadia and knowing all about iimportance of The Passenger. It would also explain why P5 wanted to kill Vaughn – he was a threat to their endgame. He was getting too close to the core of P5. He knew things that would destroy their plans. I don't know why he would keep all the info to himself though unless somehow he had to put himself in a position that was against the CIA and/or the government in order to find out the stuff he was after. Maybe P5 had to eliminate Vaughn in order to continue their plans and fulfill their endgame. Any thoughts?

momknows said...

Ihaaheim-
I think Renee has been working with/for Irina. That would explain how Irina knew what Vaughn was up to. ( She said he was not a covert as you think.) Could Renee have been feeding Irina their intel into P5?

Robetron said...

Why didn't they get the DNA and other info while they had her on the ship? Because they found her too fast, and P5 was not warned about it. They scolded Sloane for not informing them, then Irena killed Davenport for "compromising [thier] agenda." They simply did not have enough time after they got the (false) information about the location of the Horizon. I guess they didn't expect Jack to go to such lengths as to call all of the upper-CIA-crust together and then openly torture one of them for information.

(Still think Jack and Irena are together on this? I don't.)
-R.

Sidewinder said...

Mommer I really like that theory it explains that look that Elena gave to Vaughn in S4 when she found out Nadia was just dandy.

Exactly robby why would Jack threaten kill her unless it could have been a ploy just put on for Syd but I coud never believe that Jack would work with Irina out of free will.

I just watched the episode tonight and my brain is still swimming through all of this info but I love how the writers intentionally or not closed the gap between these chasms of plot.

Dark Alias said...

i just thought of somthing, not sure if anyone has brought it up yet, but could "The Trust" from season three actully be a brach of P5? because we know whtat The trust was deep in the US government, so it makes sense, dosn't it?

lhaaheim said...

"Maybe Tom works for a group inside the Catholic Church who has been protecting Rambaldi for centuries and the Cardinal is a high official inside the group."

Great idea Uncle! I didn't think of that but it might fit! Very smart idea!!!

Momknows- I like your idea regarding Renee and Irina working together! I think that's very plausible. Oh my, what if Irina set up that nursery and Renee was just acting surprised? I certainly think Irina is working with someone but I'm starting to doubt that it is or was Jack.

There must have been a translation next to the Rambaldi document that Rachel was reading from. Certainly the others would have been perplexed to say the least if she just translated the whole thing in the few minutes she looked at it. I mean why would they brief everyone without a translated copy? That just doesn't make sense. However I'm still hoping something is up with Rachel. I think it would be unexpected if she were a mole!

I still don't have a theory on why P5 killed Vaughn, other then that he knew too much and was getting to close. Since Vaughn is alive and feeling better he certainly would have passed that critical info on to Jack and Syd regardless of his hiding status. Whatever he knew and most likely shared with Jack and Syd sure didn't give them much of an advantage since they kidnapped her anyway and got her DNA. So again why did they have to kill him? Why was it so important? Do Jack and Syd know more about P5's endgame then what's been shared with the group?

jess517 said...

Not to burst everyone's bubble but didn't Irina say in a videotaped interview that the symbol was her two daughters...even if Anna has the DNA structure of Sydney she still isn't Sydney, therefore, obviously not Irina's daughter. While it seems unlikly that P5 would have overlooked this detail, maybe the writers are trying to set it up so that P5 fails in there attempt to fullfill the prophecy. I mean Alison Doren was still Alison even though she looked like Francie. What do you think? Honestly I really like the theory everyone is coming up with and I am kinda hoping that someone can explain away my concern...

Dignan said...

Jess...

I think the difference w/ the doubling and what happened with Anna turning into "syd" is that when francie and the others were doubled it just took their face/ body on, where this time they actually doubled her face/body and her DNA.

Is this so?

btw, so sad this is almost over!

Robetron said...

This has perplexed me ever since the end of season 2. not that Irena's words throw a monkey-wrench into the story, but that so many people seem to be taking her interpretation of Rambaldi's prophesy as infalible. Irena is just as much human as the rest, and is just as subject to being mistaken as any other Alias character. Sure, she's confident that her daughters are the ones symbolized, but that doesn't make it any more true than Elena being confident that what she was doing was Rambaldi's true purpose and that she was supposed to be the one to realize it. She was wrong.

If we are right about Syd not being the "Chosen one" that Nadia will shoot, then we must conclude that irena was either wrong or just manipulating Sydney again.

I hope that helps.

momknows said...

Ihaaheim-
Did P5 kill Vaughn because they thought he would be able to tell the difference between Syd and Sydney Espanosa?

jess517-
Didn't the rest of what Irina said about <0> say that the inner symbol was what the two daughters would fight over? It was the "giant sphere" over Svogda. Nadia didn't make it through that battle, so to speak. Maybe P5 is trying to fullfill a different part of the Rambaldi prophecy? Maybe there are two prophecies related to the same people--they are intertwind, yet seperate events.

srg-alias said...

anyone else see the AOL preview for next week? Looks pretty funny. :)

I think the last episode prompted some of the most interesting and thought provoking theories we've seen so far on Let's Talk, great job everyone!

Speaking of Irena's words, one thing she said from Maternal Instinct didn't match up...she said that she warned Vaughn to stop his P5 research and that he didn't listen to her, thus he had to be killed. But if you go back to season 4 and watch that eppy, she warns him to tell Sydney about what he was doing w/ P5, that's it, she never says his life would be in danger or warns him about anything other than wrecking his love life. Anyone else find this interesting? It's like she was trying to make it look like to Syd that she put the hit on Vaughn, but I'm doubting that's what really happened...

srg-alias said...

OH, and one other thing, how fun is it going to be to watch Syd as a good guy and a bad guy?!? Jen must have had fun with that. :)

momknows said...

Was Irina telling Vaughn to come clean with Syd because P5 would eventually envolve her?? Or to come clean about his working with Renee??

I don't think Irina wanted Vaughn dead. If Irina was getting info from Renee, then Irina could have told Renee to tell Vaughn that Dean/Curtis were going to kill him. Maybe thats why he was prepared (with a vest) and was able to survive???

jess517 said...

Hmmm, so Alison didn't have the same genetic makeup as Francie? Interesting, I guess that does make sense as Anna now has the same size heart as Syd and the same "unseen marks" as Syd. So I wonder if Irina is aware of P5's latest effort to fullfil the prophecy. Remember when Syd had to decide who was the CIA agent (I can't remember his name) and which was his double? I wonder if Nadia will face a similar situation trying to figure out which is the real Syd?

lhaaheim said...

I really don't think Anna is going to be able to fool everyone as easily as some of you have been theorizing. That sort of thing doesn't seem to be Anna's specialty. She really doesn't have those subtle skills like Allison had. Further more it's going to be a million times more difficult to double Syd then it would be to double Francie. Syd knows so many people and has to keep so much info straight. I would hope Jack, Dixon, Marshall etc. could tell a difference. I think Sydney Espinoza is going to do something other then impersonate Syd, maybe steal Isabelle or something. Now that she has Syd's DNA and appearance she will be able to fool the security system pretty easily.

Robetron said...

SRG

That is very interesting that you say that. I had a tickle of an inkling that Irena was trying very hard to influence Sydney against her in that whole little speach. It had to be a manipulation of some sort. It is out of Irena's character to blatantly say mean things to Syd, like indicating that she considered having Sydney was a mistake. It reminded me of those comments she made when first introducing herself to Sydney just prior to shooting her in the shoulder.

Irena is an enigma to me.
-R.

uncle111 said...

Irina has done A LOT of really bad things. You can't do that without being at least partly REALLY bad. Don't be surprised if she doesn't end up being our hero.

Before Rachel spoke the words from page 47 she spoke them in the original language, which means she was actually translating it.

Anna was shot up with the drug Evil Francie had to take because of the Helix Protocol before they finished up her DNA change. Helix used genetic manipulation, which means it changed the DNA of the subject. The technology they used on Anna maybe next gen. Helix or a big leap forward. We don't know.

Irina isn't the last word on the Prophecy. She assumes it is Syd and Nadia in the symbol because it is the Chosen One and the Passenger. We only know the Chosen One by her outward appearance and certain "unseen marks." If Anna has al those then she is just as much a candidate for being the Chosen One as Syd is, especially if she has never seen Mt. Subasio

lhaaheim said...

I don't remember when this came about, if someone here mentioned it or if it was mentioned on the show but why does the prophecy have to be bad. Why can't the chosen one being doing something good by bringing utter desolation to the bad guys. Why do we automatically assume it will be the world? Further more on the whole Mt. Subasio thing, Rambaldi sort of contradicts himself in the prophecy. He says the chosen one will have never seen the sky behind Mt. Subasio but then he says “perhaps” it would have quelled her fire. So did it quell her fire or not? Perhaps is an adverb expressing uncertainty or indicating that something is possibly true or may possibly happen, it’s often use to make remarks appear less definite (Word dictionary). Why would Ramabaldi use the word “perhaps” when just before he said she would “never” (implies certainty) see the sky behind his mountain? Is it possible that Sydney’s fire was not quenched by seeing Mt. Subasio? Does anyone else see the inconsistency in this or am I just being silly?

“This woman, without pretense, will have had her effect, never having seen the beauty of my sky behind Mt. Subasio. Perhaps a single glance would have quelled her fire.”

srg-alias said...

Thanks robby, glad I'm not the only one who got the feeling Irena was almost trying to make Syd mad at her...

Ihaa I see your point, it really depends on how literal everyone takes the prophecy, and I'm sure it was worded very carefully so "never" and "perhaps" were used on purpose. (If anyone else is a Harry Potter fan it really reminds me of that because Jo Rowling said the prophecy in book 5 was worded extremely carefully too.)