Friday, February 20, 2009

Dollhouse Fan?

I'm definitely more interested now than I was after last week's snoozer of a pilot. Episode 2 "The Target" could have easily replaced the pilot "Ghost" episode, IMO. It gave us some interesting backstory, a more exciting "engagement" (though that started off slow too...which might have been on purpose to take us by surprise when her "date" turned into a psychopath), some pretty well done asskicking by Eliza D., and something we've all been missing from new shows: a serialized plotline.

The most obvious flub was the lack of scars on the doctor (Amy Acker)'s face in the pilot. Given the timeline of events that doesn't add up at all...and you would have thought showing her all scarred up last week would have created some viewer interest in wanting to know what happened to her, but I digress. This new character Alpha is pretty interesting to me. How was he "accidentally" imprinted w/ a psycho killer's personality, and why did he leave Echo alive? It makes sense that he was her date's "friend" who gave him the drugs for the cantene, some kind of hallucinagin to cause her mental torture by bringing back memories from her real past life along with the Dollhouse slaughter. I like learning more about her handler and their relationship...but as you can tell I'm not remembering these people's character names yet. :) Next week's "engagement-of-the-week" from the previews doesn't look that interesting to me, but I'm hoping we'll still get some more serial tidbits to keep us coming back. Other random comments:
  • Topher's going to get on my nerves really quick, he has no Marshall charm to him at all
  • At this point I don't really care about the detective, and the other cops teasing him about the Dollhouse is going to get really old really fast...they're trying too hard
  • The last 15 mins were really what drew me in, the final shot of her doing the psycho's "salute" was well done, shows their "erasing" technology is flawed

37 comments:

Page48 said...

SRG, I have to agree that 1.2 was far more interesting than the pilot.

Right away, I liked the fact that there was an investigation of last week's kidnap rescue scene, establishing a continuity between episodes. This absolutely has to continue throughout the season, IMO. And it was nice to see Whedon send some work Badger's way, the two having worked together on "Firefly".

I looked really hard last week for Dr. Saunders' scars, and they were visible, but only if you knew they were there in the first place. Anyone who hadn't been reading up in advance of the debut would never notice them.

Echo's call girl 'engagements' will never interest me by themselves, but fortunately the writer sprinkled some Alpha plot in with her activities this week, making her outing more relevant to the story and to Ballard's investigation.

I agree that the constant ribbing of Ballard by his FBI mates is wayyyyyyy over the top and downright annoying. If this continues for 5 seasons.....oh my. And Ballard's neighbour with the lasagna was like something from a '70s sitcom (Valerie Bertinelli, anyone?)

I'm glad we got right down to work on showing the carnage at the DH and how Langdon came to work as Echo's handler, not to mention how Saunders got her face etched.

Topher is not an endearing character at all. He reminds me of the "Bionic Woman" tech guy who was equally disturbing.

I have to ask myself how difficult can it be for the FBI to track down this DH (let alone for most of them to even believe it exists), when horny rich boys have no trouble at all in hooking up for an Echo-shag weekend. If Matt can locate Echo for a birthday bike race, can the FBI with all its resources not zero in? Would Mulder not have Echo nailed down (so to speak) within a week?

SRG said...

You're right Page, I just did a search for photos from Ghost and voila, there's Dr. Saunders w/ her scars. Interesting that I didn't even notice them before, they seem quite obvious now. I stand corrected, good job DH writers! Now it makes more sense why she reacted so strange when Echo stretched out her hand to Saunders' face and asked "but who takes care of you?" That also begs the question though, why did Alpha slice up her face but leave her otherwise unharmed?

I wonder too if the weird naked guy who was watching home movies of Echo/Caroline after killing some random people at the end of Ghost was Alpha...sending clues to Detective Ballard to eventually bring down the Dollhouse. And yeah it seems a bit ridiculous that random rich boys who want a weekend fling can easily hire Echo, while Ballard's been trying to find some stitch of proof the Dollhouse exists for years. I agree it was good to see the cops investigating the kidnapping, but I find it hard to believe the DH crew would miss Echo's glasses in their sweep of the place. It's also weird that they wouldn't modify the memory of the little girl at all and let her go to the cops w/ the story of the "pretty lady" who rescued her.

SRG said...

Hey check it out, evidently The Target was the original pilot but execs thought the audience would be too dumb to grasp the plots, so they filmed a new pilot to explain things better. No wonder why episode 2 seemed so much more like the pilot we were expecting, stupid execs...

One other thing I'm hoping we get to see is how Ballard found out about the Dollhouse in the first place and why he's pursuing it so heavily, that could make his character more interesting to me.

uncle111 said...

OK. Now I'm going to have to see if I can get caught up online.

Bonkers for Bristow said...

I don't know, guys. This just isn't doing it for me. I admit that the last scene with the shoulder salute was great, but the whole high-priced prostitute thing every week really bugs me. And there's no one to root for because Echo is a different person every week. Just when you start to like her as a danger loving tomboy she gets erased.

I also have some issues with the name Dollhouse and all the sex they are selling in this show. From the afore mentioned high-priced call girl, the title screens with a naked Echo telling us she'll be back in 30 seconds, a shower scene each episode all the way to the overall creepiness of the way everyone treats these women as things.

I guess my women's lib is rearing it's ugly head. It's just doesn't seem like a empowering woman show like Alias or Terminator or even what I remember of Fringe.

Page48 said...

Bonkers, I haven't liked Echo as anything, yet. I'm hoping that she will become more likable when she becomes more aware of what's happening to her. This is me holding my breath.

I object to the prostitution ring aspect of it as well. If this is what Adele means by "helping people", I think she needs to set her sights just a tad higher. I sort of addressed that issue on watchingdollhouse.com like this:

Fortunately, the writer sprinkled in some Alpha bits along with Echo’s engagement because the shag o’ the week angle just isn’t going to be able to go it alone. If Echo and the other Actives were engaged in assignments affecting national or global security, their outings might be of some consequence aside from Echo’s (not to mention her handler’s) personal safety. Having the ability to imprint insane skills on clean human slates should amount to something more than shag-a-delic weekends for the well heeled man (who apparently can’t pull his own dates). As invigorating as it is to know that Echo has been imprinted with great tongue skills, wouldn’t it be more compelling if she was hacking some arms dealer’s impenetrable security system? Just my preference, I suppose.

I think Terminator SCC is unfairly maligned, and is looking like it's headed for slab city when this season is over. "Fringe" is what it is, but when it's not on 2 or 3 month hiatus, it's at least employing more serial elements than it did in the initial 10 show block before Christmas. "Fringe" still has a reputation which far exceeds its' ability to deliver, though. I guess if fans don't demand anything more...

SRG said...

Yeah I agree Bonkers, I really don't like the call girl aspect of the story. I feel like it really cheapens it and is a waste of the weekly storylines they could be using. The premise of the show has a lot of potential and I feel like they could do a lot more with it, like Page said. Have her use her skills for something with bigger impact or consequences, get a few saving-the-world (or I'd even settle for a city) scenarios in there rather than high-paid dates where they program her to be easy.

Robetron said...

I agree with you all that the prostitution thing is already an annoyance, but lets tamp down our skepticism a little. It IS only the 2nd episode, which, in fact, was supposed to be the Pilot.

The company, "Dollhouse" could go in many different directions. They may catch the attention of certain secret agencies, either good or bad, maybe both. As Echo starts to become aware, she may make contact with Helo... or, whatever his name is on this show - and then we could end up with an Alias-like double-agent scenario.

Obviously, it cannot sustain a long life with the present situation staying static. I would think Joss Whedon would be able to see that. It will take a turn, if it will last for any time at all.

I think we have been held in anticipation of this show for so long, our expectations for full character and plot development is now at a stage where it might be at the fourth or fifth episode. Let's keep watching. I got caught up online, and, without the commercials, it was well worth the time. In my opinion, it far surpassed Fringe in the pre-pilot pilot.

Robetron said...

OT - I'm in the middle of the first season of Jerrico. I don't remember who it was the recommended it, but you were right about it. It's a really good show.

It may be a little bland and a little pedestrian at times, but it feels very real. If a person is looking for Die-Hardesque action and thrills, its not the right show. If a person wants a show about humans trying their best to overcome severe adversity, its an unforgettably good choice.

I really do not know what sort of changes I would make if I were creating the show. I might find someone a little more convincing to play the tough-guy lead other than a skinny, rather nonathletic Skeet Ulrich, but he'll do. He can pull of the former malcontent-teen-turned-grown-up-hero well enough for me to suspend disbelief. Other than the existence of a guy actually named "Skeet" (who doesn't work at Tower Records), I really have no criticisms of the show proper.

Anyone with a Netflix account, you can watch it free online.

Page48 said...

"Jericho" is just another example of the lack of interest in good shows. Even the "nuts" campaign only brought it back for a half-dozen-episode Second Season, and then the ratings weren't sufficient to warrant going any further.

Had it been a steaming pile, who knows, it might have been the next CSI, branching out into "Jericho: Miami" or "Jericho: SVU".

Page48 said...

Apparently Joss has tapped another "Firefly" veteran, Alan (Wash) Tudyk to play the extremely dangerous Alpha on DH.

It's been said (as FF's Jubal Early might say) that Summer Glau would make a great Doll after her Sarah Connor Chronicles gets whacked later this spring. And, she is already under contract with FOX.

Hard to imagine Wash doing all that cutting at the DH, though.

uncle111 said...

Even though I haven't seen DH yet, I have to agree with everyone about it's prostitution core. I don't see anything cute, cool or intrigueing about the idea and it would be a turnoff for me as far as getting into the series if it continues.

Now, about Jericho- very good series. It kept me tuned in, for sure. I was sorry it ended and bought the DVD's for a good deal at deepdiscount.com for Christmas. Robetron, the last, short, season is really good. Heck, I might even add it to my iPod with soon-to-be all 5 seasons of Alias. You guys have got to try that.

SRG said...

I think the reason the "call-girl" aspect of it bothers me so much is that Echo could have screwed 5 guys in 7 days and not even know it. There's something disturbing about a girl getting paid for sex, but even more disturbing if she doesn't even know that's what's going on. But, like Robby said, it is only 2 eppies old, so we should back down a little. ;-)

I saw that rumor about Firefly's Wash being Alpha...that would be a little hard for me to take given Wash's lovable teddy bearish character, but hey, that's showbiz. I only have one episode left of FF to watch (sniff), but I'm looking forward to seeing Serenity. :)

Page48 said...

SRG, that's the thing about Tudyk. He's always the good guy ("3:10 to Yuma", "I, Robot", "Firefly"). It's hard to picture him going apeshit with a box cutter. And, I'm not sure that naked dude in the DH pilot shared Wash's physique.

Still, I think it's a done deal, although I get the impression it might be some time before we see him introduced to the show.

Just one other comment re: "Jericho". I thought Skeet was just the guy for that role, maybe just because one gets used to the person who actually IS in the role, but I thought his weary appearance and sullen demeanour actually made him look all the more like an unlikely hero. An Underdog, if you will ("Underdog" being one of my fav cartoons when I was a kid).

SRG said...

Just a note that I'll be out of town later today for the weekend, so I won't get to watch DH until early next week. If y'all want to keep using this thread to comment after tonight's episode feel free! Have a good weekend! :)

ilovealias4ever said...

Topher. Must. Be. Killed.

Seriously, that guy is NOT funny.

Show isn't that great... terribly predictable, and really just plain boring.

I did think the actor who played the Crossbow Serial Killer was fantastic, though -- just as a side note.

uncle111 said...

My thoughts about Doll House so far:

I think the whole concept has potential. However, the flaw (since we're early in the series and they maybe planning to take it somewhere that will change this) is that they have taken the "agents" down the Jason Bourne road of agent-as nonperson-pawn-of-the-system too far. The women (agents) are for rent by an entity (business? government?) for whatever the need of the client needs. They are stripped of any real personhood and personality, and programed for whatever the job at hand calls for, which so far involves being used and abused by men. That has been the females' primary value- to be sold to men for sex, entertainment, and potential thrill killing.

If they don't drop the women-for-sale-frame and morph this into the-woman-has-value-as-a-real-person-not-just-a-commodity, and tap into the wealth of spy entertainment that would unfold, I will pray for someone to sick Sylar on Whedon and the writers so they become his "playthings."

Does that make me a bad person?

uncle111 said...

PS- notice the names of the 2 "agents" in last night's episode- "Zero" and "Echo." Zero- nothing; Echo- a diminished reflection of the orignal. That is what they have made these women to be- zeroes and echoes.

Page48 said...

Well, DH 1.3 was a snoozer. No Echo-does-Dallas in this one, but possibly something worse...Echo plays bodyguard to emotionally disturbed pop diva.

Of all the intriguing, exciting, thrill-ride situations writers could create for the Actives, why go all mundane and have them double-teaming the latest Beyonce wannabe?

The scenes that don't involve Echo are more interesting than those where she is front and center. The conversations between Langdon and Dr. Saunders create more of an air of 'something bad is going on here right under our noses' than Echo and her treatments.

The diva wanted to die and I wanted Echo to let her, so we could quickly move on to something of greater consequence, which for all we know, may have been going on back at the DH. Unfortunately we were stuck in the mosh pit, waiting for the lead singer to die so we could mourn her passing and grab a burger on the way home.

This puppy better soon turn into "Firefly", or at least Buffy, else I fear it's going to be Joss's "What About Brian?", only shorter.

Bonkers for Bristow said...

I had DH on DVR and sat down to watch it late last night. I saw about 5 minutes of some wanna be singer shaking what her momma gave her and turned it off. My first thought was, "I am not the intended demographic for this show." I'm glad to hear from your comments that I didn't miss anything.

Now, Burn Notice, on the other hand... LOVE IT! I can't believe we are back down to one last episode. The short season on USA is killing me. I was glad they are involving Mom more. She's definate comedic value but the quiet moments with her and Michael are really great. And, yes, the romantic in me loves the snipets of truth between Fi and Michael that they throw at us. It's one of the best shows on tv right now.

Page48 said...

Yupper, Bonkers, I just finished watching this week's BN. Last year, USA only gave us 12 episodes and called it a season. A few more eppies this year, but still a far cry from what I consider to be a TV season.

BSG disappears next in a few weeks, "Lost" disappears next year. Pretty soon I'm gonna have to start leaning on the Shopping Channel for my adrenaline rush.

Next week on DH, Echo is going to lose her imprint halfway through her 'engagement', which seriously smacks of MOWE.

As Uncle says, Jason Bourne started out as a CIA Active of sorts. Fortunately, his awakening was the stuff of 3 great movies (so far) as he fought back to reclaim his inner David Webb. Will DH improve as Echo's awakening brings out the rebel in her? Will DH improve the first time Echo meets Ballard? These are questions I will stick around to see answered, but it's tough sledding right now.

On another note, I read an interesting article today, which suggested the following:

"viewers’ tendency to surf the Web while watching TV was another factor in declining ratings for dense dramas."

In other words, shows like "Alias" suffer because of the divided attention of those of us glued to the internet. The implied solution is to pollute prime time with aimless procedurals and reality bullshit and let the rest of us dangle.

Page48 said...

Here's a moronic comment from somebody in response to this article regarding DH:

I had high hopes for this show for obvious nerdie reasons, but its really bad... Remind me of Alias. The story itself is stupid, why do we need a Doll? Why do such powerfull mens need a Doll? It just does not hold together.

Under a temporary user name, I came to the defense of "Alias" with unusual brevity:

There is no resemblance between DH and "Alias". Saying DH reminds you of "Alias" is like saying New York reminds you of Kandahar because they are both places on a map. Sorry, dude. Come back when you've seen "Alias".

Take that, moronic dude.

SRG said...

Hehe well said Page, love the analogy. :)

Yeah I just watched DH 1.3 and was bored. We need to get some background on Ballard for me to really care that he was shot. I was hoping his contact asking why he "knows" Dollhouse exists would bleed out some info, but no dice. It was a cool surprise to see that the contact is a Doll, wasn't expecting that. I also liked how Echo/Jordan turned the tables on psycho diva, but it was a boring ride getting to that point. I am interested to see what happens next week when she is somehow wiped in the middle of the engagement, so I'm still leaving it programmed in my VCR for now...

uncle111 said...

I don't know if any of you watched a series in the mid 80's called The Equalizer (don't get smart and tell me you weren't old enough to be allowed to watch spy shows in the 80's). I just got season one and have been having a great time with it. I have a screenwriter friend who almost wrote for the show (she did work on Hart to Hart, Cagney and Lacey, and a few others).

Anyway, the main character is a retires spy, a Jack Bristow type, who now helps ordinary people in trouble. The current episode has an incidental character named Irina.

uncle111 said...

They just used the code name Mockingbird. Wonder if anyone with Alias was a fan of this show.

Page48 said...

Yupper, Uncle, I used to watch "The Equalizer". As I recall, he drove a Jaguar.

Edward Woodward just recently made news for joining the cast of British soap "Eastenders".

Robetron said...

I remember really liking The Equalizer, but I was rarely available to watch it. I will check into seeing if Netflix has it available for watching online. I would like to remember it more clearly.

Anyone remember, at the end of Dollhouse this week where the other agent Echo saved was about to come up to Echo back at the 'house, and Echo did a very suspicious shake of the head to tell her, "Not here... they're watching." There is something happening, and something else is going to happen soon (I hope).

I sincerely think Whedon was planning to reveal more about Summer Glau's character in Firefly, like he did in Serenity, but he was too long in doing it, and it ended the show. I think it might have had a much more substantial run if he would have been quick about getting into the good stuff. He's already taking too long with Echo, as he clearly seems to be losing some of us (those who know and love good TV - the ALIAS fans).

As for me, I'm still in it for a while. There has been enough hints that the Dollhouse is in for a strange twist that I am willing to endure a pop diva and the main character saying "you go, girfrain..." if I must.

Alan Tudyk was also GREAT as "Wot" in A Knight's Tale, staring the late Heath Ledger. I never get tired of that movie. He's also pretty good in that commercial where he and another customer are laying on the flood during bank robbery, and he says, "don't be a hero." The other guy explains he is programing his DVR with his phone in case there is a hostage situation. The line, "That's so cool," was delivered flawlessly. :D

I don't know about "physique." Hollywood stars can trim down and bulk up fairly quickly with the time between gigs, and Tudyk is not a little man to begin with. Besides, if he keeps clothes on, all they need is a body double at other times.

We'll see if his acting chops are up to playing the vicious killer, but something tells me they are going to go for sympathetic victim of mental programing-gone-wrong. Supposedly, they tried implanting a background "ninja" program in Alpha. I hope Tudyk has gone through a stretching regimen, or he'll be in danger of pulling a hammy.

RE: Burn Notice - It really is a great show with great chemistry. Just so everyone knows, it is still only in its second season. If they go one more episode, it will be 15 on the season. They have been known to do a two hour special to end the season or to go into a seasonal break, which they technically label as two episodes; so, it may go to 16. Not the blessed 24 episodes which Jack Bauer fans have grown to love, or even the 22 episodes that ALIAS fans have learned to cherish, but for a small-time show on the USA channel, I think we should consider ourselves fortunate. Frankly, given their track records, I'm just glad other networks have NOT picked it up; they would just meddle with it until it was ruined anyway.

RE Jericho: Every single episode is equally good. They do not have to sell it with the salacious, or appeal to lowest common denominator among the reality-TV watchers. It's just realistically good stories. Now that I am to the part where they revealed what ole Skeet was doing before coming home to Jericho, I can appreciate his character a little better. The brooding, sullenness is more justified. Before, it was like he was trying to be James Dean in Rebel Without a Cause. "I'm cool because of my rough background. Don't mess around with a guy that acts this casual." Now I understand and am willing to accept it. (Anyone else watching it currently?)

Page48, good call down on that moron who doesn't know good TV from the entertainment of picking out socks in the morning. DH doesn't deserve the hyper-derogatory remark, and using ALIAS to make such a remark shows that he watches paint dry for amusement. Keep up the good work.

Page48 said...

There seems to be some question as to whether Tudyk is going to be Alpha or whether that was just a rumour started by some homesick Browncoats.

I'm in for the full 13 episodes of DH that are currently in the can, assuming FOX lets them all roll out. I have to have enough faith in Whedon to go that far, at least.

I thinks it's fair to say that Topher's imprint program is seriously flawed. Alpha being a prime example, but Echo is not far behind. I think her biker chick 'engagement' was her only flawless imprint so far, and it seems clear that the DH is rapidly losing its grip on her. Now, Sierra seems to be on the blink as well, after only one previous engagement (the hostage rescue). Echo was eerily prescient in the pilot when she explained to Adele that the thing about wiping a slate clean is that you never really get it clean. No kidding, girl. How long before Victor gets an inkling and how will that affect his attempts to lead Ballard astray in his investigation?

DH is reminiscent (to me anyway) of the movie "The Island" from the notorious Orci/Kurtzman team, starring Scarlett Johansson, where people are cloned for the purpose of organ harvesting for rich clients. Two of the clones become aware of their predicament in this clone community and stage a daring escape into a world they have no understanding of.

To think that "Jericho" couldn't even (initially) get renewed for a 2nd season, I was stunned. I just don't know what people want. I also wonder why the patriarchal Gerald McRaney character was killed off so soon. He has a following that dates back to "Simon & Simon", and losing him over what I assume was irreconcilable differences (money?) could not have helped ratings in the 2nd season. Either way, J deserved a better fate.

Mr. Equalizer himself also appeared in several eppies of "Nikita" earlier in this decade.

Robetron said...

Correction regarding Burn Notice:

there have already been 15 episodes. USA is not scheduling Burn notice for two hours, but is listing the one hour this Thursday as the "Season Finale." The name of the upcoming episode is "LESSER EVIL."

With the intensity of its popularity, I find it hard to believe they can't squeeze enough dough out to give the fans a full season of 20 or more episodes. 16 is under-achieving.

Bonkers for Bristow said...

I have to share an Alias connection that I just learned and would never have guessed.

One of the best shows on TV (besides BN, Lost, and Office) is Friday Night Lights. I was looking at IMBD on the series and saw that our own Agent Noah Hicks, AKA Snowman (I think) is the creator as well as writer of many episodes.

If you haven't watched this show, you are missing one of the most well-written, real shows on tv. It gets little advertsing or respect from the network but the critics love it and it has a very loyal fan base. (Sound familiar?) Don't misunderstand - it is not a high action spy show like Alias or BN. It's a show about a group of people in small town Texas who all happen to be related somehow to the game of football. I resisted for the first season because of the football connotation - I am not a fan - but this is about so much more that football becomes a more of a catlyst than a plot point. Check it out.

Page48 said...

I saw an eppie of FNL a couple years ago, but I like my shows loaded up on action or sci-fi or both.

I couldn't help but notice FNL stars Connie Britton, who used to be on M.J. Fox's "Spin City", which was the same show that gave a very young Jenny Garner some early TV work. Connie was also Jack Bauer's squeeze a couple seasons ago.

uncle111 said...

Back to BSG for a moment. Here is what I have figured out so far about the 13 colonies' broad timeline.

13th tribe left Kobal 3000 years ago for earth. (Why?)

They traveled at less than light speed, but close enough for time to slow for them relative to the 12 colonies.

The 13th invented resurrection technology on the way to earth, gave it up once they began to procreate on earth.

The 13th invented robots, didn't treat them well, had their own war with them and were destroyed by them.

A few, who became the Final Five, escaped, having reinvented resurrection technology, by downloading into bodies they made, and that they had placed orbiting earth, and headed back to the 12. They knew the 12 would also invent robots and wanted to warn them.

By the time they got back to the 12the Cylon war was already in progress.

The Final Five made a deal with the Cylons to help them make the skin-jobs if they would stop the war with the 12.

John, one of the skin-jobs Ellen made, is a bit upset about being a skin-job and not being metal, and about the treatment of his ancestor Cylons. He is behind the renewed Cylon war against the humans.

We don't know yet what Starbuck is, but her role in bringing the Final Five together and into play started when she was a child.

(Problem- if time slowed for the 13th, then the 12 colonies should have progressed further than the 13th.)

How does this sound?

uncle111 said...

Well, I just head one of the Final 5 say that they invented the skin-jobs and bought the 12 time, but that the humans on Kobal invented them (the Final 5). That throws a monkey wrench into the timeline that came from earlier in the episode, unless she meant the human from Kobal, not the humans on Kobal.

uncle111 said...

More of the enigma:

Each of the Final 5, and only the 5, saw things that were warnings of Earth's coming destruction, but they each saw different things. Some saw a man, others saw a woman.

Starbuck asks about a 7 (I assume a skin-job) and what's-his-name (Starbuck's guy who got shot in the head) says the 7 was Danielle (they pronounced it Daniel). After confirming with him that he said 7 was Danielle, Starbuck tells the Dr., over the objections of 4 of the Final 5, to go ahead and remove the bullet from his head, knowing that it might wipe out the rest of the memories that were coming back to him.

Any ideas about what this could mean? Danielle seems to have some significance to Starbuck.

Also, John is intent on getting the resurrestion technology that is on "the colony" and if Ellen doesn't help him he is going to open up her head, locate it there and extract it. What is "the colony?" Kobal?

uncle111 said...

Sorry to make so many posts, but the more I listen to this the more I hear. Daniel is a he, not a she. It sounded like she the second time said it, but was he. I think Starbuck had delayed the operation because she was trying to find out if she was in his new found memories, thinking she may have n=been the 7. When she learned that Daniel was the 7 she wanted the operation to take place so he wouldn't die.

As he's being rolled off to surgery he urges Tigh to stay with the fleet, that what's happening now is a miracle, a gift from the angels.

He then tells Starbuck to make them stop the operation that may make him lose the memories he's having, that he stood up for her on Demetrius (?), that she owe's him.

In last weeks' episode the piano player helps Starbuck remember the song her father taught her. He touches her the way her father used to, and dissappears the instant some of the 5 appear asking Starbuck how she knows that song. Is the piano player her father, or an angel, or both?

I think the theme of John's rebellion against his maker is interesting.

Comments?

Robetron said...

Uncle,
I am guessing from the "(?)" you do not remember how Sam took up for Kara on the Demetrius when the rest of the crew had become so restless that mutiny was on their mind. I believe it was Sam who shot Gaita in the leg. When everyone else thought Kara was delusional, Sam stood by her and supported her. He simply wanted the same thing from her.

I still don't know about the time line, and I think it is purposely vague because the characters are uncertain of it. Maybe it will all be revealed in the next three episodes, because I think that is all we have left. That'll be a sad Friday night.

John's rebellion is interesting, but a little befuddling. If Ellen programmed him after her own father's personality, why would she not know what sort of character he is? Why would she allow that type of self-loathing and destructive disposition to replicate itself on AD INFINITUM?

I don't know what to make of Kara seeing the specter of her father teaching her to play piano.

Personally, I have been aggravated by how much time they are wasting with such scenes when there is so little time left to resolve the story. Since having arrived at the post-nuke Earth, there has been very little to drive the story in each episode. They are dribbling out information like a leaky faucet, not a rushing river racing to its inevitable end at the ocean.

In the past, there was the tension of war, holocaust, and a chase in which one wrong move could result in the extinction of the human race. That's big stuff to drive a story. There has been political intrigue, recolonization, and a fight for freedom from enemy occupation. Those are huge ideas. There was religious visions, prophesy, and a race to the finish line of Earth, the hopeful land of Adama's promise. While these are more difficult to sustain, the power of the lingering effects from stories-past kept it moving.

The present tact of BSG, I must confess, is being a little inconsistent. No one knows where they are going, what is happening, or what they should do about anything. Lethargic chaos is a weak premise to sustain a fantastic story that has had insuperable writing and colossal themes. One week I'm on here going "Man alive, did you see BSG on Friday?!" The next, I'm thinking, "What in the world is going on with this show?"

Am I just too tired at the moment, or have you other BSG fans noticed this too?

-R.

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Gina Torres (Ana Espinosa/Zoe Washburne) lands a pilot that sounds like it has potential in the right hands.

"Torres will play a rapid-deployment team coordinator in CBS' "Washington Field," which focuses on an FBI squad that goes around the world protecting U.S. interests."

I found this week's BSG to be lacking in the adrenaline-rush department. Generally, I think that more Starbuck = better BSG, but this week, although Starbuck-centric, was a tad lame, considering we're in the top of the ninth with 2 out and the pitcher at the plate.