Tuesday, May 02, 2006

Spy Chat = Spy Genius

If you missed Spy Chat last night, you missed A LOT! Last night, Birdie2Shoes, Starbucks Mom, Jenn and I had a rip roaring chat ending with some ANSWERS worthy of Alias. Now, keep an open mind, take a deep breath and hold on- it gets sticky.

Bill Vaughn and the Watch
Now, Bill Vaughn gave his son a watch- the watch P5 gave him while he was researching. Bill Vaughn wanted his son to find out the truth and he knew Vaughn would go after the truth because- perhaps Vaughn had also been “programmed” by Project Christmas. Blogger KatyBird mentioned in a post that Vaughn, Sydney, Alison, Sark, Lauren even, are all of Project Christmas age. If Irina “killed” the 12 agents in order for them to disappear and run an alternative organization- then perhaps Bill Vaughn wanted to protect his son as much as Jack wanted to protect Sydney. Project Christmas would also explain why all the Vaughn’s, Bristow’s, Sloane’s and Derevko’s are or were government agents. Even if Bill Vaughn was truly killed, maybe he left the watch for Vaughn to find out that Irina didn’t really kill him- that it was P5 and Irina took the fall. (PS. Look at the pictures I posted- Sydney took off her ring, but she continued to wear Vaughn's father's watch).

So, the watch, combine with Project Christmas- started Vaughn on a path towards truth. Irina also left her daughter a little gift- her diamond earrings. The message- “Truth takes time.” The watch has played a large part in Alias overall- it is a connection between Vaughn and his father and Vaughn and Sydney. The phrase, “truth takes time” also plays a large part. I feel there is a strong connection.

Renee’s Play
As for Renee, DiSantis said to Dean, when he was extracted- that “the girl’s alive, she’s working with the CIA. She goes by the name Renee Rienne.” Perhaps Renee is also a product of Project Christmas and P5 has been trying to track her down to use her as an agent.
Tonight: Pay close attention to Renee and her role in tonight's episode. We may learn the truth of her loyalties or discover her agenda.

Jack and the Brat
Jack hired Grace with full knowledge of his little secret. He hired him for a reason. SOOO- Jack sends Sydney to meet with Renee, knowing she will be kidnapped. To find her, Jack is ADMANT about breaking into the CIA. He needed Grace to do it- to get information on the Cardinal, to get a message to the Cardinal. Grace was able to get into the CIA with a story about a cashed pay check and a dead wife. Perfect- but I believe the story of his dead wife is a fabrication. If Grace does have a wife- then maybe she was targeted by P5. Allan Korman was sent to kill her- but she was only wounded. So, Grace faked her death to protect her. Sound familiar? Gordon Dean thought he killed Vaughn- but he ain’t dead, because Jack and Sydney faked his death.
Tonight: Are there any more connections revealed about Grace and teh Cardinal?

In the Mirror
Could it be Sloane's P5 contact, Joseph in the side view mirror in the car with Ana?
Tonight: Pay close attention to who Sydney Espinoza is with during this episode. We may see the MirrorMan.

I believe tonight is the return of Nadia! Can't wait! I miss that girl. It will be nice to have her back- because her being awake is going to give us answers to what exactly her role is in the prophecy.

So, what do you think of our little bits and ANSWERS? We had been leaning towards Bill Vaughn and Irina as Grace’s parents, but it’s too much. I can’t do it! Sorry, Jenn and Starbucks Mom, I couldn’t make the ends meet. Can anyone else?

24 comments:

Starbucks Mom said...

I still agree with everything we talked about last night, EXCEPT...
I personally don't think mirror man is Joseph. It looked to me like he had facial hair and Jo Jo's a baby face.
I'm not really sure who I think it is, but I'm pretty sure that it was a significant moment. The writers made a point of lingering on the reflection, but not enough that we could tell who it is.
Maybe it's someone we've never seen before.
Nice post though Scoutie Pants. You did a good job of drawing all the connections.

Kiki said...

Thank StabuxMom! Thanks to you, Jenn and Birdie, I think I have a better brain connection.

jenn256 said...

I think you covered everything pretty well, we were all over the place with thoughts anyway, so I can't even imagine how you were able to write this.

I also agree with everything, and for me the jury's still out on Mirror Man, it really does look like Joseph, but I agree that it looks like the man has some facial hair.

I'm glad you were able to find the picture with Syd wearing the watch. And as far as BV and Irina as Grace's parents, I think we need to do more hasjing of thoughts first to be able to actually draw a staight line between them all.

birdietwoshoes said...

Oh! So remember when Irina is talking to Jack & Syd at Syd's apartment and she says, "I got your message and I wanted to reply but I thought it might be a CIA trap."??? Maybe she really IS the Cardinal who Grace had to get a message to? Maybe the guy who Grace met is somehow working for or is one if Irina's contacts that Jack sends messages through. Which would mean that yes, Grace is working with and for Jack and Irina. Maybe? Plus with all these bird code names and all the ones I can think of being female operatives, maybe that means The Cardinal is a female too.

Kiki said...

YAHOO Birdie- you did it! You made the connection! Thank you!!

M said...

Interesting you bring up the quote about Rene Rienne.... If she "now goes by Rene Rienne", what did she go by before?

Hmmm.... anybody else thinking of that photo with the unnamed niece????

birdietwoshoes said...

What unnamed niece? I don't remember that. I still think that Renee is Vaughn's half sister (Irina and Bill's daughter) Which may explain why Renee was so casual with Vaughn-- calling him Michael. Maybe she knows they share the same father.

M said...

Remember Jack showed Nadia a photo last season with Irena holding "her niece"?

Kiki said...

Oh, I like Renee related to Vaughn! And it fits.

mommer said...

Great theory, birdietwoshoes, but I thought Irina said, "I got your messages (plural) and I wanted to reply but I thought it might be a CIA trap." Grace's message could just be one of many - we know Jack has communicated w/Irina in many different ways throughout Alias, but it makes the connection to Irina as the Cardinal not quite as strong if she said "messages." Here's another crazy thought: your theory totally explains why Jack sent Grace on an auxilliary mission inside Langley to find out where Allen Korman was, but it raises another question: If Irina is the Cardinal, why does Jack have to get a message to her through Korman? Or, is Irina working with Grace separately from any connection she's maintained with Jack? Was it just Grace getting a message to her that Jack has no knowledge of? Another curious thing: Irina is definitely involved w/P5, but she doesn't seem to be running the whole thing. If she was Peyton wouldn't be bringing in her own team to Vancouver, etc. Irina seems involved, but somehow outside of P5, too. Like, bottom line, she's loyal and accountable only to herself and she uses whoever and whatever she needs to accomplish her goals whether it's Jack & Syd, P5, the CIA, Vaughn, Nadia, Sloane, the Covenant... It seems like throughout the series everyone on both sides have always treated Irina with great respect - like she's almost unbelievably good at what she does. Sorry this is so "stream of consciousness" but it seems like the more we "pull on a certain thread" trying to unravel all the mysteries, the more questions arise!

Kiki said...

No Mommer, I agree. About Irina, but I don't think the plural "messages" is that big of a deal. But you are right, why would Jack need to get ahold of her through Korman?

katybird27 said...

I love your ideas!! You seem to connect almost all the dots between the spy parents and the spy kids and their intentions (and when, in Alias, does every dot get connected anyway?). The watch seems especially important -- if truth takes time, could "time" literally mean the watch? A silly question, but with Alias we never know!

jenn256 said...

I'm not sure about the messages thing. If Jack had been sending her messages, then this must have been a new way to contact her then, because he had never broken into the CIA for Cardinal info prevously to send her a messgage. Does that make sense?

As far as Renee and Vaughn, there is some possibility to that, seeing as how they are both French. Did Vaughn ever say how Renee contacted him or vice versa?

Kiki said...

I love it Katy!! Love it! Time is such a huge thing in Alias!!

uncle111 said...

The man in the mirror is the guy who injected the bomb into Will's head, who was also they guy who tortured Syd for Irina on the ship.

I'm looking for tonight's episode to open with Syd doing something uncharacteristically evil. But then it will turn out to be AnnaSyd.

Also, did they use McCullough's Sloane Clone technology to download Syd's brain while she was on the ship? If so you can bet they uploaded it to AnnaSyd and she will think she is Syd. But then she wouldn't do anything evil, unless she thinks it is good

Kiki said...

I think Ana will know she's not Syd.

lhaaheim said...

I hope we get closure on the watch tonight! I agree it plays or symbolizes a big part of the storyline. I love your theory katybird that the watch is the time in "truth takes time" that's very smart.

If Irina is Grace's mother then she is one very busy lady. I doubt that's the case and honestly I would find it weird and out of place if she were. And wow if she is Renee's mother too then damn that woman has been with everyone! I think it is far more fitting if Renee and Vaughn were half siblings but that doesn't mean Irina is Renee's mother it could have been someone else.

Good point birdie- all of the other people with bird aliases are women. It could very well be Irina. Though I'm still hoping for Bill Vaughn to return!

lhaaheim said...

I agree girlscout, I don't think Ana will be a Sloane Cloane double. I think she will still in Ana just in Syd's body.

srg-alias said...

From the very short amount of previews I've seen, it looks like AnaSyd knows she's evil, just my instinct from the looks she gives and such, but I did pose the question a few articles ago whether the genetic manipulation was purely cosmetic or mental as well, I'm hoping we'll know for sure after tonight.

Eliza said...

for the record, I'd be distrubed if Irina has more children with other men. That is just a little too much love spread around the block. I'm still shooting for Nadia being Jack's. I'd be too annoyed if Irina ended up sleeping around with all these characters...gee whiz!

srg-alias said...

hahaha, yeah I'm w/ ya freelancer

Kiki said...

Me too, but I like the idea of perhaps Bill Vaughn being renee's father. Hmmm.

jenn256 said...

I like that idea, "Truth Takes Time" and the watch represents time, so the watch represents the truth!!! WOW!!! The truth that Irina never really killed BV. But she couldn't come out and tell Syd for some reason, maybe to pretect BV's new identity!. I wonder if Irina knows that Vaugh had BV's watch and now Syd has it. It must represent something more.

mommer said...

If SydEspinosa doesn't know she's evil, if she has the same mind as Syd, she'd be no different than Syd. There would be two Syds! So she wouldn't be evil, right? And it wouldn't matter which one was killed because they're both the same. I think it helps to think of a double just like an identical twin. They have the same genetical material, but they're two different people because they have two different souls/minds/identities. They make different decisions and have different emotions at different times. Also, the minute there are two of them they begin to have different experiences and therefore different memories. It seems that in order for the story to make any sense Ana has to know she's not Syd and she's making conscious choices to bring about P5's ultimate plan.