tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post113509833274674480..comments2024-03-11T17:26:10.898-07:00Comments on Let's Talk Alias: We Know This Much Is True...Girlscouthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09488863065118161693noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1137618676195133142006-01-18T13:11:00.000-08:002006-01-18T13:11:00.000-08:00i had the same thoughts about how quickly they kil...i had the same thoughts about how quickly they killed disantis after the whole "who's in the box" suspense....it made me wonder how far in advance they are planning these plotlines...come back JJ!!! we need some continuity!!!amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12666899633045920864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1136322814744020022006-01-03T13:13:00.000-08:002006-01-03T13:13:00.000-08:00Was X-23 Norte the coordinates that Syd gave under...Was X-23 Norte the coordinates that Syd gave under hypnosis? I don't have that epi on tape. If it was...wasn't it the wrong coordinates? I thought that "Vaughn" told her that they would figure out that she had given them the wrong coordinates. Did she tell the real ones to APO?I have two small kids and so the last few epi's were a bit jumbled. Please fill me in.Desireehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10212946521475943926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1135207609468591972005-12-21T15:26:00.000-08:002005-12-21T15:26:00.000-08:00Andrew, thank you, I thought it was a good post to...Andrew, thank you, I thought it was a good post too, if you don't mind my say so. Irina struck up a deal with Sloane in season 2, along with Sark (remember, Syd had to hand over Sloane in order to get Vaughn a cure for his finger bleeding). Together Sloane and Irina combined their resources to collect Rambaldi artifacts. When Sloane was finally caught and waged a deal (by turning in Bomani), all of the Rambaldi artifacts were handed over to the DSR. In season 4, Elena's little foot soldier, the French guy with mustache, breaks into the DSR and steals all the artifacts, that is how Elena got them. <BR/><BR/>I am still trying to figure out what was at the dig site? Oh right, the coorinates that Nadia gave Sark and Lauren were wrong. It was the Rambaldi box and Sloane and Nadia went looking for at the end of season 3. I forgot.Girlscouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09488863065118161693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1135202519988786942005-12-21T14:01:00.000-08:002005-12-21T14:01:00.000-08:00I like that idea andrew of P5 being behind all of ...I like that idea andrew of P5 being behind all of the evil orgs, Alliance, Covenant, etc. It would be a great way to tie everything together and end the Rambaldi saga at the end of the series.SRMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01576968119404544145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1135201889378557382005-12-21T13:51:00.000-08:002005-12-21T13:51:00.000-08:00"As for the connection between P5 and SD-6, I see ..."As for the connection between P5 and SD-6, I see there are plenty. For one, the Alliance and SD-6 were both after the artifacts of Rambaldi. Sloane bringing down the Alliance, combined with Irina’s infiltration of the CIA while she was in custody, put one person in possession of all the Rambaldi artifacts. Elena."<BR/><BR/>I'm following all of this Rambaldi stuff up until the point that you say it all ends up with Elena. How? How did Elena and the Covenant get all of the Rambaldi artifacts when Irina had them? Was it because they abducted Irina? <BR/><BR/>I'm beginning to see the ties between Alliance and P5, but do you believe that the Covenant had ties to P5?<BR/><BR/>Prophet 5 is beginning to look like the ultimate evil that was tied to almost everything else they've ever fought to bring down. <BR/><BR/>BTW, amazing post GS, it brought together a lot of assumptions that Horizon presented.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04186368983976568293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1135197499207256362005-12-21T12:38:00.000-08:002005-12-21T12:38:00.000-08:00sorry robetron, totally my mistake!! :)sorry robetron, totally my mistake!! :)SRMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01576968119404544145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1135196593879333712005-12-21T12:23:00.000-08:002005-12-21T12:23:00.000-08:00Good job Robetron. I too remembered the map being ...Good job Robetron. I too remembered the map being shown a second time, with the overlay. Hmm, I wonder if we will see it again.Girlscouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09488863065118161693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1135194564180980332005-12-21T11:49:00.000-08:002005-12-21T11:49:00.000-08:00*does his best Rodney Dangerfield*I get no respect...*does his best Rodney Dangerfield*<BR/><BR/>I get no respect!<BR/>No respect at all!<BR/><BR/>:D<BR/>Just kidding.SKlafthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00319049127450549422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1135193085029983592005-12-21T11:24:00.000-08:002005-12-21T11:24:00.000-08:00andreas and tammy, thanks for the correction, I re...andreas and tammy, thanks for the correction, I remember now when Vaughn showed Syd the map the second time to convince her the good she had done as a double agent. I had totally forgotten about that! :)SRMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01576968119404544145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1135192886805529472005-12-21T11:21:00.000-08:002005-12-21T11:21:00.000-08:00Angela: Sydney was considering to quit the agency ...Angela: Sydney was considering to quit the agency because of the fact that she had just learned about Irina being former KGB. She first suspected Jack of being KGB but in the episode before The Box, Jack told her about Irina. As I am sure you remember, Syd always thought her mother was a teacher and the whole image she had of her mother just crashed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1135192559221008712005-12-21T11:15:00.000-08:002005-12-21T11:15:00.000-08:00Of course his name is Quentin Tarantino and not Ta...Of course his name is Quentin Tarantino and not Tarrantin.=)<BR/><BR/>By the way, I think Irina has played a major part of Prophet Five as early as from the beginning. Because of her obsession of Rambaldi she became interested when learning that P5 were studying his codes. She then became a member of P5 and still is. <BR/><BR/>I also think that Bill Vaughn is alive, considering the fact that he as well were a Rambaldi follower, I do not think Irina killed him but faked his death (just like Syd did with Lazarey's death). Of course I too believe that Michael is alive BUT, my guess is that Irina learned of the hit made for Vaughn. She then acted as the beloved and loving mother she obviously is and helped in the hiding of him.<BR/><BR/>In the end, it is well known that Irina Derevko would to everything in her power to protect her daughter(s) from danger. But her Rambaldi obsession just is to big some times.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1135191900318142812005-12-21T11:05:00.000-08:002005-12-21T11:05:00.000-08:00Robetron: The map over SD-6 was shown for the seco...Robetron: The map over SD-6 was shown for the second time in the episode "The Box Part 1" back in season one. And just like tammy mentioned, that was the episode starring Quentin Tarrantin as McKenas Cole.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1135186366499101982005-12-21T09:32:00.001-08:002005-12-21T09:32:00.001-08:00I remember seeing the map twice--and the overlay. ...I remember seeing the map twice--and the overlay. It was when Syd seriously wanted to quit because something had happened--somebody died maybe?--and Vaughn used the map to keep her in the game. <BR/><BR/>I've always liked how Alias DOES complete minor story arcs while keeping the Big Picture going. I mean, SD-6 did fall, Eleana was foiled, Lauren and the Covenant DID bite the dust. And we had for some of those arcs to be finished before Syd and Vaughn could be together (SD-6, Lauren/Covenant, etc). Which helps me believe that P5 will go down, and Vaughn will resurface . . . hope springs eternal! <BR/><BR/>AngieAngelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15745389922246602752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1135186360410709912005-12-21T09:32:00.000-08:002005-12-21T09:32:00.000-08:00Robetron - I remember that as well. I have no reco...Robetron - I remember that as well. I have no recollection of when it was, but I think it was when Syd was threatening to just quit - maybe in or around the episode of McKennas Cole - she was going into Sloane to quit when she found out the takeover had happened. I seem to remember that Vaughn had been trying to convince her she couldn't quit, and showing that map was one way he proved to her they were doing some good!! I'll see if I can find the episode tonight!Tammyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06191587599115454722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1135185082932376502005-12-21T09:11:00.000-08:002005-12-21T09:11:00.000-08:00I haven't had the time to search for it yet, but I...I haven't had the time to search for it yet, but I am quite confident we have seen the map in another episode. There was the map without the red circles and a clear plastic overlay that had the red circles which showed who had been x-ed out. Someone... help me out remembering!SKlafthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00319049127450549422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1135179095856322792005-12-21T07:31:00.000-08:002005-12-21T07:31:00.000-08:00Yes, srg, the creepy wheelchair guy (who Will put ...Yes, srg, the creepy wheelchair guy (who Will put in the wheelchair) is Dr. Jong Lee, aka "Suit and Glasses." <BR/><BR/>I SERIOUSLY want this guy to return at least one time in one episode. He was in the pilot and seen several times...let's bring him back full circle!<BR/><BR/>And yes, Vaughn volunteered for the Syd assignment because Sydney mentioned the Mueller device, and it was something he had seen before from his P5 investigation.Paul Kremerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17281296502196508184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1135174815292129912005-12-21T06:20:00.000-08:002005-12-21T06:20:00.000-08:00Minor sidenote to Robetron, the only time we saw t...Minor sidenote to Robetron, the only time we saw the SD-6 map was in the second episode of season 1 when Vaughn showed it to Syd in the blood donor van. We never saw it in the pilot episode, so it's only been shown once before now.<BR/><BR/>Angela, it was Vaughn who said to Syd in the season 4 finale that it was no accident she was assigned to him. In the s5 premiere we found out that in his research into prophet 5, Vaughn came across the name "Meuller", and when Syd came to the CIA w/ her story she mentioned the Meuller device. Because of the connection, Vaughn volunteered to be her handler, hope that helps clear up some of your questions. :)<BR/><BR/>Lisa, excellent point about creepy Asian wheelchair guy! I totally forgot about him!! I think the last time we saw him was in s3 when Vaughn tortured him for info. on the whereabouts of Sloane/Lauren, is that right?<BR/><BR/>I agree w/ you pkrm, it takes a really good episode to get all our ideas and questions flowing, and Horizon certainly did that! :)SRMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01576968119404544145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1135165136744991652005-12-21T03:38:00.000-08:002005-12-21T03:38:00.000-08:00You know, you are right, Robetron, Lauren said tha...You know, you are right, Robetron, Lauren said that bit about the sisters. But I remember SOMEONE saying or questioning--maybe it was Syd, at the beginning of season 5--how she came to be assigned to Vaughn. The implication was that it wasn't mere happenstance. (I didn't tape S5--waiting for the DVDs). <BR/><BR/>I wondered who could have been controlling things within the CIA. Jack? Hardly seems likely; he didn't even LIKE Vaughn during seasons 1 and 2. Eleana didn't have that much pull there, did she? <BR/><BR/>LOL. Maybe we're going to find out at the end that the Man Who would Rule the World and Control Everything was . . . Dix. :-) <BR/><BR/>Seriously, there was that awful Halatchki (sp?) guy, who was working for the Bad Guys. Maybe he set it up, since he was technically Vaughn's boss. Then who was controlling him? Sloane/SD-6? Or someone else? <BR/><BR/>AngieAngelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15745389922246602752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1135137992391652782005-12-20T20:06:00.000-08:002005-12-20T20:06:00.000-08:00Wow! so much to think about. Let's not forget ou...Wow! so much to think about. Let's not forget our little Asian friend in the wheelchair- could he be behind any of this? He seems to pop up at the most unexpected times (or is he "dead?" I can't remember...<BR/>On another note, has anyone ever tried to decipher any code hidden in the location typeset in each episode? You know, the letters that are highlighted and lead the camera into the next scene in "Los Angeles" or "Mexico City"... Have you come up with anything?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1135135945136452382005-12-20T19:32:00.000-08:002005-12-20T19:32:00.000-08:00Angie, I think Lauren said, "You can't beleive tha...Angie, <BR/>I think Lauren said, "You can't beleive that both you and your sister happen to be agents?" I don't think it was related to Vaughn, but Lauren said several things that were left wide open. If we are now going back to SD-6 ties, maybe there will be Covenant ties too, we could learn more about Lauren was talking about.Girlscouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09488863065118161693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1135135876628490552005-12-20T19:31:00.000-08:002005-12-20T19:31:00.000-08:00Angela,At the present time, it looks like Lauren w...Angela,<BR/>At the present time, it looks like Lauren was talking about the fact that Elena Derevco had been manipulating both of them as the head of the Covenant, as well as manipulating Nadia by posing as a kind old care-give from her orphan days. <BR/>Some of what Lauren said was open ended enough to possibly include the current plot. We know the 12 Agencies that control Prophet 5 are a part of the grand structer of thier nation's governments. It is possible that Elena was either working with/ for them, or was acting counter to their agenda. In either respect, it may explain some of our head-scratchers.<BR/>:DSKlafthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00319049127450549422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1135132853955970232005-12-20T18:40:00.000-08:002005-12-20T18:40:00.000-08:00I keep wondering about the comment Lauren made jus...I keep wondering about the comment Lauren made just before Vaughn killed her-- (to Syd) "You think you just happened to be assigned to Vaughn when you went to the CIA?" or something like that. Who was pulling those strings? Alias is great at hiding the Big Picture, and that's part of the picture I'm just not seeing. <BR/><BR/>As to Baby B-V, there could always be another Rambaldi prophecy we haven't seen yet--the child of the "chosen one" and ** will ** . . . bring peace on earth? :-) Who knows? <BR/><BR/>AngieAngelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15745389922246602752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1135129922439012082005-12-20T17:52:00.000-08:002005-12-20T17:52:00.000-08:00I know this might seem like a lame post, but I thi...I know this might seem like a lame post, but I think this last episode was fantastic...not just for the flashbacks and how well it was put together, but of how incredible the cliffhanger was! <BR/><BR/>Look at all these questions we have! Look at all the speculation we are having with no real way to know for sure! I would love to start developing theories along with you guys, but unfortunately, I don't think we have enough information about Irina's role in this organization to begin piecing anything together yet. Sounds kind of defeatist, I know, but they really left us hanging! You can bet I'll have my TV on for the next episode!!!<BR/><BR/>And I can understand your sense of concern, robetron, but don't forget there are still 9 episodes left...there's still 4-1/2 hours of show for them to get everything tied up...and that's a serious amount of time. I believe if the writers who wrote the last episode are as into the plot as we are, they're as interested in wrapping things up satisfyingly as we are (although we might be more psycho?)! hehe! :)Paul Kremerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17281296502196508184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1135122547179994622005-12-20T15:49:00.000-08:002005-12-20T15:49:00.000-08:00GS, I also have been bewildered as to why they wou...GS, I also have been bewildered as to why they would go to such great lenghts to extract Syd's memory of a map which the CIA must surely still have. It is probably in storage somewhere since the SD-6 case is officially closed. Moreover, if P-5 is partially run by the 12 main governmental Intelligence Agencies, wouldn't thye have very easy access to that cache of material? If they have enough influence to get Arvin Sloane out of the ringer, they could easily influence someone to retreive the actual map. Something isn't sticking here.<BR/><BR/>Just as an aside, the Pilot episode was not the only time we see the map. Remember the time that Syd was seriously considering quiting the spy biz? Vaughn pulled outthe map and showed her how many evil-agents had been taken down because of their work together. (It was a little wierd that he had the same people crossed out in the pilot, but I was willing to suspend my disbelief.) I'm not certain which episdoe or even which season, but I'd like to go back and see if we can get a better look at the map.<BR/><BR/>Anyway...<BR/>I also had a few questions about the minor role of Dr Desantis who had two entire episodes dedicated to him coming out of that box, leaving us with umpteen questions about him... and then a month later he is killed off the show like some sort of lacky. I gave more effort to pose the question on PKRM's blog, though. I'd like to know what in theworld is going on around here with leaving the loose ends all over the place. they are quickly running out of time to answer questions we had from season 1. I'm beginning to worry.<BR/>-R.SKlafthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00319049127450549422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17309641.post-1135120634289779352005-12-20T15:17:00.000-08:002005-12-20T15:17:00.000-08:00Good point Myo!! Very good point and now maybe Jac...Good point Myo!! Very good point and now maybe Jack thinks Irina is betraying him??? Hence the look on Jack's face when he saw the psycho nursery.Girlscouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09488863065118161693noreply@blogger.com