Friday, May 05, 2006

Chosen vs. "The Chosen One"- by Jenn256

So after another great SpyChat last night, Paul, Dark Alias, Lhaaeim, GS and I came up with some interesting points/thoughts/questions. I have listed a few of the questions, along with some previous questions that have yet to be answered. The answers or thoughts we had about them are in orange. If these are considered spoilers for anyone then I apologize in advance. We were wrong previously, but if anyone doesn't want to have any ideas about what may happen, then perhaps this isn't the post for you to read. For those others who have had fun speculating and throwing out ideas, then read and blog away!!!!

- Sloane told Jospeh, before getting on the plane, that he has been chosen. He, however, did not say that he was "The Chosen One". Sloane has always thought he would play an important part in the Rambaldi prophecy. Did he find anything significant in the original Page 47 text that he was looking at when Nadia came to the door? GS noticed some sort of text or lettering on the page when it was in the fire in the upper corner. What could it have said? He told her he wanted to explain it to her, what was he going to explain to her? Did Sloane realize that Nadia was not the true Passenger and therefore felt no reason to save her life? Was her throwing the page into the fire for him to discover the Rambaldi sign the only true purpose she served in this scenerio?

- Girlscout, Paul and I Googled the name "Milo Rambaldi" and surprisingly there were a lot of sites on him. On one of the sites they describe Rambaldi as "driven from a young age who dies alone with no surviving spouse or heir." This reminded me a lot of Sloane. Does Sloane think he is the modern day Rambaldi? Does he think that is why he is "Chosen" and was not as distraught over Nadia's death? Did he discover that he would die without a surviving heir?

- Irina said previously that the Passenger and The Chosen One would do great battle and one would not survive. Could Irina have been wrong about the prophecy, or is there an addendum of sorts to this prophecy that Sloane discovered on the original Page 47? Some could consider the battle between Nadia and Sydney in Svogda and fulfilling this prophecy. Nadia did not die at the time, but lost a year of her life to in a coma she was in due to the fight, and was then killed a few days after she woke up.

- Where does Nadia's death leave the prophecy? Was she not the actual Passenger?

- What does Renee's death tell us about Sydspinosa? Did Renee know something that P5 wanted to keep quiet or was she just collateral damage in the ambush in Ghana? Could the whole doubling process have been more about killing Renee and getting to Vaughn than anything we had thought previously? Why go through all of that trouble to double Sydney? Highlight following text for possible Spoiler info- AOL preview for next week shows Jack and Sydney discussing a chip that APO found inside of Renee after her death with Vaughn's real name on it, Andre Micheux. Jack says that whoever put it there wanted it to be found. Who put this chip in Renee, did she know it was there, or was this just a setup? What information could be on this chip?

- Who is the mole? Is the mole the same person who tipped off Ana about the ambush in Ghana? Or is Sloane the mole and did he contact Ana after Nadia died? Did Sloane realize the choice he made after Nadia's death and told Ana that Syd and the gang were coming after her as Nadia told Sloane standing in his doorway? Or is there another mole and we are supposed to just assume Sloane is the mole?

- What about Bill Vaughn and the watch? We have all noticed how time plays a huge part in the Alias scheme. Have we seen and heard the last of BV and the watch? When Irina told Sydney that "Truth Takes Time", was she referring to the watch? Did she know that Vaughn had the watch? Does Irina's statement mean that the truth will be found in the watch or with it, Truth Takes TIME-WATCH?!?!

- And what about Katya, Jack, Irina, the Cardinal, the Horizon? Where do all of these people play into this scenario?

So what do you all think? Did we stumble on anything new or different? With only 3 shows left and 4 hours of showtime, we have a lot of information to gather. I think Uncle put it very well, "this show is like a snowball going downhill with stoylines getting faster and faster and getting bigger and bigger". We will be thrown a lot of information in the next few weeks and it will be fun to try and solve at least some of the puzzles after 5 great years.


54 comments:

Bob K said...

Is it possible that Nadia isn't really dead? Could this be a setup by Jack and Sloan to take down Prophet 5?

jenn256 said...

anything is possible with Alias. It was mentioned in yesterday's post that maybe she is not dead. It looked real, but perhaps she is the actual Passenger andher job is not done yet.

Desiree said...

Is it possible to switch the yellow colored words to a different color? It is really hard to read.

jenn256 said...

you need to highlight the yellow part to read it, it is a pobbible spoiler and unfair to leave out there for those who are spoiler free.

Desiree said...

Nevermind.

Desiree said...

I think that syd and nadia fighting in Savogda was "the Fight". I think that we are so used to having to look so hard for hidden meanings that sometimes the easy answers make us skeptical. Also I don't think that Sloane purposely killed Nadia. I think he was too upset about her possibly dying when Jack came in to the hospital room. I do think that because she died he basically had no reason to be good and had nothing to lose so he became bad...again. In regards to rene I wonder about something. What if Jack is the mole? Hear me out. He would know the round about way to get to Vaughn without getting himself in trouble. Maybe Vaughn knows something about Jack. I still am not sure about Jack sometimes especially when I know he is so good at compartmentalizing.I don't know....Girl Scout did see lettering on Page47. It was the Rambaldi sign and I wonder if it was only to authenticate the page. I am sure we will find out bacause wasn't sloane able to get it out of the fire and that is what caused the accident?
Anyway I think that I am going to have a heartattack now. My adrenaline is pumping like crazy. Sara and I are going to be having a major ALIAS party at her place because she has a home theater. Anyone wanna come?:) If anyone else is having a party maybe we can all post-pictures afterward and see all the peeps we have been co-conspirators with. Our party is going to be FABULOUS!!!

jenn256 said...

good theories Desiree. And I completly agree about looking too hard for answers. Maybe it's in front of our faces and we are looking past it.

I really don't think Sloane purposley killed Nadia either, however he didn't do much to save her, he didn't even try as she did for him when he fell through the glass after recovering the Sphere of Life. Maybe he read in Page 47 that she was going to die and resigned himself to it.

Could you imagine if Jack were the mole? It would explain a lot. I hope not, I would like Syd to have a father she can trust when all is said and done, but it would be a shock!!

couP said...

I just read this newest post, so sorry if someone else has said this already, but how come no one mentioned Grace being the one that tipped Espinosa off?!

momknows said...

I've started watching season 5 from the begining again. I've been looking for clues that I missed the first time. In the ep. "Out of the Box" I found something!
Marshall uses his techno-spyder 'Charlotte' to read the Desantis files in this storage facility. As he reaches the Desantis files, the camera shows alot of illegible files with the name Desantis clearly stamped above the data. Slightly above Desantis' name is the name ESPENOZA !!!! It only appears on screen for a second, but it's there!

jenn256 said...

wow momknows, that's a great catch. I've wondered about DeSantis and if he played any bigger part in this. His part seemed to trivial after we found out he wasn't actually Renee's father. How could DeSantis and Ana be linked together?

jenn256 said...

Coup- as far as Grace tipping off Ana, we still are't sure who it was, there are a lot of people it could have been andjust as many theories about it. On SpyChat last night it was mentioned that perhaps it was the man Renee rented the room from, Sloane, or another mole inside APO. We just don't know enough information yet, but Grace does seem like the obvious choice.

Kiki said...

Jenn!! You are awesome. Great article!! Me love!

Kiki said...

Hey Desi- I saw some weird lettering right above the flaming Rambaldi eye. The letters were also flaming. I couldn't make any of them out, but there is definitely something more there. It was only on the screen for a nano-second.
Paul will be sad when I say this- but I am beginnning to think Nadia has played her part and we are moving on.

lily'smom said...

Something occurred to me and I'm not sure that I even like this theory but here goes...What if Sloane is the "chosen one" and Nadia is the passenger? In the episode on Wed they didn't do great battle but wasn't their relationship a "great battle?" Isn't Sloane capable of utter desolation? I know none of this explains why Syd's picture is on page 47 and I can't remember the exact prophecy. Just throwing that thought out there!

Eliza said...

good one, Jenn! Maybe the whole doubling thing has more to do with getting info from Vaughn.???? Also, remember in 4.22 when they thought Nadia was dead because she was attacked by zombies..lol...Irina assured Syd that she was alive...because it was 'destiny'. So if Nadia is in the 'prophecy' then I think that she is not dead...otherwise it would not be a prophecy...you know? If he saw into the future, lol (how unrealistic) and the Passenger and Chosen One collide then that is what will happen...So unless Nadia is not the passenger then she has to be alive. what do you think?

angelahunt said...

I would have to go back to watch to make sure of this, but I'm pretty sure Sloane was babbling about being "chosen" back in the episode where he and Nadia went after the "sphere of life." Remember when she wouldn't step onto the glass? He went, and that's when he was babbling. He's always felt that Rambaldi held the keys to his destiny . . . which might end up being true in a very sad way.

After all, apparently he has specifically been mentioned in some Rambaldi papers--that's how he learned he had a daughter, by reading those papers held by Conrad (I think that was Kung Fu's name.) (VBG)

Remember when Sloane assembled the Rambaldi pieces at the end of season 2 and the machine only spelled "peace?" (Jack had it right--anticlimactic!) Maybe Sloane spends his life in this pursuit only to learn the meaning of REGRET. He has sacrificed everything--wife, child, friends, peace, prosperity, reputation, mental health--for nothing.

I think that's what the new, hidden prophecy will reveal. Just a hunch.

jenn256 said...

Lily's mom, it's funny that you mention that Sloane is the Chosen One and Nadia the passenger, that's another idea we kicked around last night and I really liked the idea. And the propehcy says that after the battle one will die, and also says that there will be utter fury, which Nadia definatley had after Sloane chose Rambaldi over her. But again where does Syd's picture fit into this? I don't know, but I love the theory.

Kiki said...

Oh Angela! Nice ideas! I agree!! Sloane said he found a DNA profile in Rambaldi's work, a DNA profile of the Passenger. He tested his DNA against it and that it how he knew he had a daughter- that he was part of the prophecy. We still don't know what the Sphere of Life is- obviously Nadia was needed to find it- hence the green solution and the crazy Rambaldi writing that Sark and lauren needed her for.

lily'smom said...

Thanks, Jenn. The theory seems to fit somewhat but I find it to be a little anticlimactic.

Does anyone remember which episode first tells about page 47 and the prophecy?

M said...

Quick note: I feel like i bring this up all the time (so sorry if i am repetitive and boring) but i think the chip in "Rene's" head will correlate back to the quote "she calls herself Rene Rienne now". Rene is her current alias - who was she really?? I think the chip will tell us the answer!

lhaaheim said...

I wonder if there is something in that watch or the watch is capable of something. What if it's a communication device? What if someone's used it to listen into Vaughn and now Syd? Have they ever checked the watch out?

I think Nadia is dead, there was so much blood loss and I don't see how she could come back from that unless she was a double and that's not the case. Her death reminded me a lot of Danny's and most of us agree that he's dead.

Jack being a mole? I'm not buying into that, as bad as Jack has been in the past everything he has done was to protect Syd. Now he has to protect Syd and her family, which includes Vaughn. Jack and Vaughn may not get along all the time because in truth they are too much alike, but they do care for each other. I believe Jack when he said that P5 stealing Vaughn's file was a personal attack for him too. If Jack were a mole or doing anything to jeopardize Syd and especially Vaughn I would be horribly surprised. Jack may be doing something shady that Syd doesn't know about but he's not going to hurt them.

m- I wonder if the chip will tell us who Renee’s parents are. Is her connection to Vaughn so strong because she is his half-sister? If so, do they share the same father or mother?

What is up with Vaughn's mom? Why hasn't she been to see Syd, why is she never around? This really bugs me when it comes to Vaughn and I would hate to think he lied about her or something for cover, but why haven't we met her yet? I mean if she would just stop by to see the baby, apologize for not coming sooner and reminisce about Vaughn for a minute with Syd then all my suspicion about her existence wouldn’t exist. Why hasn’t she done this, and why isn’t Syd upset by the fact that she hasn’t. Is it possible that they but her in hiding to protect her, if so then why didn’t they just tell us this?

~Liz

Kiki said...

I think we learn of the page toward the end of season 1. Sydney has to steal the blank page from Sloane's house- she straps a fake to her leg, remember- when she has dinner at Sloane's with Will. She steals the page, gives it to the CIA and they use the Rambaldi fluid on it. Ta-da, Syd's face. Vaughn brings it to her, but they don't know what it says. Then Vaughn says "yeah, I'll break into the Vatican with you" so that they can find the key code. And then the page says "This woman here depicted" Syd is arrested by the DSR. Then the guys break her out so that she can see Mt. Sebasio.

CaliMack said...

Back to connecting all the players---how about Sark? Is he just a random freelancer, tool of Irina, or deeply woven into the "Sloane- Derevko-Bristow-Vuaghn" web?

Marcello said...

Possible spoiler...


I read somewhere on the net that Mia Maestro will be in the last episode or something... maybe she's not dead after all. Maybe...

I'm so glad I found out your website guys!

Eliza said...

wait, there's a chip in someone's head?

faithschild said...

Episode 16 of Season 1 is entitled "The Prophecy." At the end of Episode 15, the CIA used the vial of Rambaldi liquid to reveal the contents of Page 47, which revealed the picture of the one believed to be the 'Chosen One.' Since the portrait so closely resembled Sydney, the DSR ran tests on her and found that she matched the 3 traits Rambaldi mentioned (DNA sequencing, platelet levels, and heart size).

When Syd traveled to Mt. Subasio, she proved that she couldn't be the 'One' Rambaldi spoke of (before Nadia came along), BUT now w/ Anna running around with the identical genetic traits and all, she seems to be the actual 'Chosen One'...the "she" who will be the one to bring forth Rambaldi's works and "render the greatest power unto utter desolation" if not stopped at "vulgar cost."

Since Rambaldi specifically says the 'Chosen One' is a female, Sloane is out of the running for that role. But he in some warped way believes that he has been chosen to help in the fulfill Rambaldi's endgame...but I'm thinking it may be more a self-fulfilling prophecy on Sloane's part.

As for Nadia...I'm starting to hope that she really didn't die (even though I don't know how that'd be possible) b/c it doesn't seem that her role as the Passenger has completely played out...battling the Chosen One and all.

Hmmm...Renee not really Renee...I forgot about that possibility. I do think she was killed in order to get to Vaughn. He seems to be tied into all of this a lot more than we've been given information about. I can't wait to see how they pull it all together. And at this point I wouldn't be surprised if Bill Vaughn jumped out of the woodwork as a major player in the whole deal.

And Jack as the mole...it's scary but I could see it. He's connected enough that he could pull it off w/out raising any red flags, but I think if he turned out to be evil at all, it would crush Sydney.

Julia said...

The picture on the page 47 that Nadia threw into the fire lloked like her--not Syd. So--Was the page 47 we've always known and loved always a fake. If so--was Syd's part for nothing?

uncle111 said...

The leters/symbols above the <0> on the Page 47- there are at least 10 of them. Some look like they could be Greek, and others something else, but I don't know enough about ancient languages to know for sure. They have to mean something, and I think when Sloane saw them it bumped up his understanding about Sydney, which is why he whispered her name after the page started glowing.

If Nadia is dead then I think they wimped out on the Chosen One/Passemger battle. To me it is most likely that she is still alive or will be brought back somehow, or that the hidden message on the page changes to prophecy to fit something else.

At the end of last season their were discussions on ABC board about Jack possibly being the secret head of an anti-Rambaldi group (or a Rambaldi group that was opposed to the Sloane/Irina/Elena type Rambaldi followers) that the others didn't even know existed.

While I'm at it:
This woman here depicted will possess unseen marks. Signs that she will be the one to bring forth my works. Bind them with fury. A burning anger, unless prevented. At vulgar cost, this woman will render the greatest power unto utter desolation. This woman, without pretense, will have had her effect, never having seen the beauty of my sky behind Mt. Subasio. Perhaps a single glance would have quelled her fire."
What if you change the punctuation to this:
"This woman here depicted will possess unseen marks, signs that she will be the one to bring forth my works. Bind them with fury, a burning anger. Unless prevented, at vulgar cost, this woman will render the greatest power unto utter desolation. This woman, without pretense, will have had her effect, never having seen the beauty of my sky behind Mt. Subasio. Perhaps a single glance would have quelled her fire."

With this change it would mean that this woman would bring forth Ramabldi's works and that the works should be wrapped up (for protection?) with fury and a burning anger (in other words protected with great fury and anger). That unless prevented, once she brings forth his works, which she will do staightforwardly and without deception, but with great anger and never having seen Mt. Subasio, she would, at a horrible cost, destroy the greatest power.

uncle111 said...

Sloane and peace. Again, if we've learned anything we've learned you can't trust Sloane. He said all Il Dire wrote was the word peace, yet he admits later that it printed out the DNA code that allowed them to locate Nadia. Sloane is a meniacle evil who is empowered by having been mentioned in Rambaldi's writings.

A very interesting point about Conrad, the monk who started Sloane down this road. There is a book (and a couple of movies- the best being the old black and white one) in which there is a French missionary who became the "guru" of a mysterious mountain community in the Tibet/Bhutan area, who lived to an age of around 200. In looking for someone to replace him he hears of a man of peace and has him kidnapped and brought to the community, which is named Shangri-La. The name of the man he has kidnapped is...Conrad.
The name of the movie is...Lost HORIZON.

I just wonder if any of this had an influence on JJ. What do you think?

lhaaheim said...

"At the end of last season there were discussions on ABC board about Jack possibly being the secret head of an anti-Rambaldi group (or a Rambaldi group that was opposed to the Sloane/Irina/Elena type Rambaldi followers) that the others didn't even know existed."

That's a very interesting idea Uncle111, which would explain a lot. I always wondered if Jack had really stepped away from Rambaldi or if he had stayed with it but in a less evil way. If so that would help explain and connect a many things.

The way you reworded the prophecy makes far more sense then how it is originally worded. A lot of us have been questioning the prophecy and pointing out its flaws but a simple change in punctuation really helps clear things up and would possibly allow Syd to play a role in it. Since we all know she’s not going to destroy the world, and is trying to take out P5, the greatest power, the prophecy reworded would then fit with her morals. However, were does this put the whole Mt. Subasio issue? I still think the use of the word “perhaps” leaves some wiggle room but I’m not sure. Either way you did a great job with this!!! However I still wonder if Irina was wrong when she said it was not about her, what if it is? We shouldn't take her world so solidly; she may not know or could once again be trying to deceive everyone.

lhaaheim said...

Holy crap Uncle!!!! You have come across something great! There is no way that this is just a coincidence. JJ or some of the writers must have heard about or seen this movie, or something else related. I always thought that Conrad's little city was Shangri-la like and maybe even the real deal but the fact it's connected to Horizon! Wow that is such a great connection. Furthermore I bet the man Conrad replaced was Rambaldi! Now if Shangri-La or Conrad's city are located in the Himalaya's then why the heck would Jack and Syd hide Vaughn in Bhutan? Wouldn't that be a tad to close to all this Rambaldi stuff for him to be safe? Or do they have him out their investigating and researching as well as hiding? Is this how Sydspinoza finds him, does she go to Bhutan for some reason and just stumbles across him? Also does Sloane believe he is the next man of “peace”, Conrad’s future replacement?

uncle111 said...

Bhutan is located between Tibet and North India.

faithschild said...

"With this change it would mean that this woman would bring forth Ramabldi's works and that the works should be wrapped up (for protection?) with fury and a burning anger (in other words protected with great fury and anger). That unless prevented, once she brings forth his works, which she will do staightforwardly and without deception, but with great anger and never having seen Mt. Subasio, she would, at a horrible cost, destroy the greatest power."

uncle111 -- Thank you for putting my thoughts into words! I had the rather random idea a couple weeks ago that the 'Chosen One' would ultimately be the one to "destroy the greatest power" (being Prophet 5), but I couldn't clarify my thought process so I just dismissed it. Thanks again!

Kiki said...

Yes, thank you Uncle. We have all been saying that we thought the propehcy was good, that Rambaldi is a man of peace- this explains it. Sydney will be the one to stop the badness, not be the one to strike it up!

faithschild said...

Was just reading posts on the ABC message boards and ran across this interesting thought from MrPopcorn47 and wanted to share:

"The last shot in Nadia's death sequence was Page 47 covered in blood laying next to Nadia's lifeless corpse. So in a sense, the Prophecy that the Passenger and the Chosen One would battle and one would die did happen.

The battle was just more figurative, and it happened right there. Nadia was there in form, but Sydney on the page. Nadia and the image of Sydney were essentially battling right there for Sloane's soul -- with whom would he side, his daughter or Rambaldi? In choosing Rambaldi, Syd essentially won the battle and led to Nadia's demise.

Everyone assumed that "the object over which they would do great battle," was the Big Red Ball. But what if it was Sloane all along?

Overall, there were a lot of "prophecy" shout outs in that scene. "This woman here depicted will possess unseen marks?" The secret marks that were revealed in the fire. "Burning anger" was all over that scene in the fire."

Wow...

uncle111 said...

In the preview to next week when they are showing the microchip they find in Renee's body, they show Marshall looking in a microscope and a city map comes on the screen with the words :
EVAKUIERUNGPLAN ALPHA 3 (I don't remember now if it's 3 or 4). EVAKUIERUNGPLAN is German for evacuation plan.

lhaaheim said...

We should invite MrPopcorn47 to the blog... he has some great insight!!!

Uncle- I thought that was an evacuation plan, I don't speak German but that's what my brain immediately went to. What do you think it's for? Is something going to happen in that area? Will it be another Savogda thing?

momknows said...

Love it uncle-- I have been thinking the same thing about "Lost Horizon". I found slightly different info, but you said that there have been several remakes, so maybe they changed some of the characters. Here's what I found:


Lost Horizon is a fantasy adventure novel by James Hilton. Hugh Conway, a veteran member of the British diplomatic service, finds inner peace, love, and a sense of purpose in Shangri-La, a utopian lamasery high in the Himalayas in Tibet whose inhabitants also enjoy longevity.

Rambaldi was also obsessed with being imortal. Maybe the endgame is this place, the "'lost'Horizon" where Rambaldi's essence becomes a living being. Maybe, the artifact that Irina has, leads to this utopia of peace, love, and longevity?? Maybe that is why Vaughn is in hidding-- he knows where this place is??

Incidently, a 'cosmic light horizon' is defined as-- In astronomy, a "horizon" which marks the edge of the visible universe. This horizon is the edge of a sphere, centered upon the Earth.

Rambaldi loves spheres-- the sphere of life, the giant mueller devise...

JJ loves sticking literature into his stories-- Alice in
Wonderland, why not Lost Horizon??

uncle111 said...

Yes, my mistake. It is Conway.

momknows said...

uncle-- I agree that the message above the <0> on pg 47 in the fire looks like greek. I froze a frame (it's still not completely legible) looks something like:

?Omega?, Phi, Sigma or Xi, Gamma

??, ??, 4dots in the shape of a diamond, 5, Epsilon.

But its all greek to me!!

RUDY said...

Okay. I just read the article and when I got to the BV and Time part something hit me. GS keeps talking about BV and Time together. The watch, time and BV. That's all we have heard. So I began to think. This season's been mainly about P5, right? And now things are tumbling to the watch, the time, Vaughn and possible Bill Vaughn. What if...BV is the head of P5? Crazy thought, huh? I know, but it popped as I read the article.

uncle111 said...

I don't know how old Renee was, but next week they find a microchip in her body. Is that microchip why P5 wanted to keep track of where she was. Did they want it or just want to keep track of it? Is it a Rambaldi artifact or an invention from a Rambaldi document that her father implanted in her before he was taken?

Marcello said...

Can I ask a question? Maybe it's out of topic... In episode 5x13, when Syd is wearing the pink suit, what kind of accent is she using? English is not my native language, but it just seemed to me she was pretending to be from a particular area of the States... Since many times she faked her accent in different episodes... I was just wondering. Thanks!

jenn256 said...

Uncle- i'm not sure why they would put the chip in Renee's head, but why would they put Vaughn's real name on it? Jack says that he thinks it's a trap and someone put his name there on purpose, so they can be led to Vaughn. If this is true, what I don't get is why Jack and Syd fall for it and Syd goes to see Vaughn?

And what is the exacuation plan for? So let me see if I can piece this together? Somewhere along the way, We're not sure when- a microchip with a German Evacuation plan for an unkown location was placed into Renee's head, and this chip has Vaughn's real birth name ingraved into it? Hmmmm.

momknows said...

Uncle--Maybe the chip works in conjunction with the watch or the artifact that Irina now has from the safty deposit box?

Desiree said...

My poor little brain is way too overloaded:) I do have a couple of things to add. Okay here is goes:
1. Somewhere out there Irina is around. Does she know that Nadia is dead? Does she know that Vaughn is alive? I wonder how she is going to pop up and I wonder if she is the Chosen One because she probably looked like Syd when she was Syd's age. I am thouroughly enticed by the idea that faithschild brought up about the picture on page 47 and Nadia dying was an incredible theory and I wouldn't put it passed JJ and the writers. I am quite torn though because I want to be careful to not look too deep into things that I forget what is on the surface.
2. Is it possible that Renee had the chip put into her own head in case something happened to her? How that figures into the evacuation plan idea I am not sure yet but I wait with anticipation.
3. I LOVE the idea that Syd being the Chosen One would be fighting to protect all from the greatest destruction ever. That makes me happy and I would rather think good things like that than bad stuff:) Thanks Uncle.
Well here are my sputterings. I commit to nothing when it comes to this show. I like to entertain all ideas. It makes things interesting

RUDY said...

When Joseph was talking to Sloane at the beginning of the episode about the conditions of the cure, he said that if something hadn't had happened, Sloane would be with them now. I wonder what that was. But it also got me thinking. What if P5 set up Sloane to get him to join them? They must have known that Sloane still yearned for Rambaldi deep down, so they decided to use the cure to reel Sloane in. How? Well, letting Sloane see for himself that Rambaldi's work is true (once again) would certainly trigger Sloane back to Rambaldi, wouldn't it? After all, Rambaldi is like a drug for Sloane. And then, what if Kelly Peyton and Syd/Anna set up APO to get to Renee? They must have needed Renee out of the way or something, because if my other theory about Sloane is true, then they knew Sloane had page 47 and they knew gettting Sloane meant getting the real page 47.

What do you guys think? Is it a plausible theory?

Anonymous said...

Marcello,

It sounded like an exaggerated version of Jen's native Virginia accent.

uncle111 said...

Rudy,
Very plausible.

Marcello said...

Thank you!

travelin said...

I have traveled both to Tibet and to Nepal. The term Shangri-la seems to refer to the whole Himalayan region (including Bhutan) and is a Buddist term simaler to heaven. My general understanding is that it is like a utopian state. There are hotels "Hotel Shangri la" and catchphrases like "The land of Shangri-la"

travelin said...

wikipedia has a very interesting definition of Shangri la that is worth checking out. Evidently the term came from the novel Lost Horizon and is based on a mythical city in the Buddist religion. Since this novel has had such a big impact on a region even though it is not well known in today's pop culture. I would think that it is possible that JJ may have incorporated it into the storyline. Good call uncle!

uncle111 said...

Here are some other things I just thought of.
1- What we know of the prophecy about the battle between the 2 daughters comes from Irina. She says it comes from Rambaldi, but Irina has misquoted Rambaldi before. Page 47 says the woman here depicted would bring down the greatest power, unless prevented. In Svogda Irina quoted that as saying bring down the greatest evil. What if she is misquoting the battle prophecy also, assuming it even exists?
2- Sloane knows as much or more about Rambaldi than Irina does. He had the real Page 47 for years and knew it backward and forward. Surely he also knew of Irina's belief, or of a genuine battle prophecy. In Svogda he must would have known whether or not that situation fit the battle scenario. When he went to where Syd and Nadia were fighting he knew Nadia was infected. He had to be going to save Syd and help stop the Device. Could he have thought then that he may be the Chosen One? He shot Nadia, which prevented her from killing Sydney or Sydney from killing her, but he couldn't just watch her die and also helped save her life. And even though he did not kill Nadia there, he did kill her a year later at his home.
3- Once Nadia was dead Sloane seemed resigned to the idea that she must die and he must, or so he can, continue on after Rambaldi, which for now would be with P5. Maybe Sloane is the Chosen One, (or thinks he is and that is how he can be resolved to accept Nadia's death) and battle between he and the Passenger did result in one of them dieing. That would be the only way Irina's prophecy could be fulfilled. Except, didn't it say they would do GREAT battle, which this one wasn't- it was just an accident.

Anonymous said...

Will someone PLEASE explain why the girl on the new Page 47 does NOT look like Sydney? What's with that?????????????????????